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#31    Ashley-Star*Child

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Posted 21 June 2005 - 04:13 AM

It's cool Amal lol


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Posted 21 June 2005 - 04:24 AM

Believe what you all want to, but what makes the Bible true?  Because a priest somewhere said so?


I do find it humorous that for the majority of the existance of Christianity, the religious leaders have lived in comfort while the common people have suffered.


What's even funnier is that if I lived 500 years ago, and said that, the church would have me killed.  


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Posted 21 June 2005 - 04:28 AM

QUOTE(hechtal @ Jun 20 2005, 10:24 PM)
Believe what you all want to, but what makes the Bible true?  Because a priest somewhere said so?

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Trust me, its much more than just "a priest".
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I do find it humorous that for the majority of the existance of Christianity, the religious leaders have lived in comfort while the common people have suffered.

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You make it seem that all Christians like this idea. Many dont (including myself).
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What's even funnier is that if I lived 500 years ago, and said that, the church would have me killed. 

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Probably so. But you can't blame the entire religion for something that evil men in power did. It would be like blaming every German for Nazism.

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Posted 21 June 2005 - 05:43 AM

I find it amusing that people who mock belief in God have never even researched the ENTIRETY of the documents pertaining to it to make an unbiased opinion.


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Posted 21 June 2005 - 02:14 PM

QUOTE(Ashley-Star*Child @ Jun 21 2005, 12:43 AM)
I find it amusing that people who mock belief in God have never even researched the ENTIRETY of the documents pertaining to it to make an unbiased opinion.

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Personally I don't find that very amusing.


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Posted 21 June 2005 - 03:46 PM

QUOTE(GodsMessenger @ Jun 22 2005, 12:14 AM)
QUOTE(Ashley-Star*Child @ Jun 21 2005, 12:43 AM)
I find it amusing that people who mock belief in God have never even researched the ENTIRETY of the documents pertaining to it to make an unbiased opinion.

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Personally I don't find that very amusing.

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The thing is that there are countless religious texts (the Bible being only one of them).  It is impossible to study and understand ALL the texts, and so skeptics (in their mind) discount them all, then find rational to support that view through a brief look at the text in question.

but if it works for them.... Good luck I say.  Even though you're going straight to HELL  tongue.gif .  Sorry, bad joke.

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Posted 21 June 2005 - 07:24 PM

No...I don't think the sceptics dismiss all the texts in the Bible because they don't have the time or will to read them through...
I believe it's because they are not letting their lives be guided by some documents whose origins are highly doubtful.
(Who really wrote the stuff? Jesus' followers? You don't know that.)

Why would God need paper to subdue humanity anyway, like he apparently did in the old days of the Bible, when he was "active".
Nowadays, we don't see or hear much from God in that drastic way older civilizations did.

Today, the best and most usual arguments are no better than before;
wars, diseases and misery are Gods punishment for our sins and "you just wait and see when you die" about going to heaven or hell.
Scaring people of the afterlife judgment is a smart move- no one can control the validity of that threat.

The Bible, as a sceptic, I am actually reading through. Right now, I'm on page 313.
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Posted 21 June 2005 - 08:02 PM

One of the mysteries of Christianity. much to the chagrin of those that do not believe. Is that you must first come to Christ by faith alone and then the truth is revealed to the individual with no doubts.
The facts are revealed within our hearts, but we are only able to show others with words and deeds.

There is evidence of a Creator everywhere we look. There is plenty of documentation in the scriptures. And many to attest to the truth, but again these are but words to the non-believer. But you are correct in a way.
It only becomes reasonable once you have seen the proof, but first you must come by faith and by faith alone.

Who ever said life was fair? Why does the Creator of life have to be reasonable? Perhaps His reasoning is different then ours because of His perspective.
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Posted 21 June 2005 - 11:26 PM

QUOTE(BFG @ Jun 21 2005, 10:46 AM)
QUOTE(GodsMessenger @ Jun 22 2005, 12:14 AM)
QUOTE(Ashley-Star*Child @ Jun 21 2005, 12:43 AM)
I find it amusing that people who mock belief in God have never even researched the ENTIRETY of the documents pertaining to it to make an unbiased opinion.

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Personally I don't find that very amusing.

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The thing is that there are countless religious texts (the Bible being only one of them).  It is impossible to study and understand ALL the texts, and so skeptics (in their mind) discount them all, then find rational to support that view through a brief look at the text in question.

but if it works for them.... Good luck I say.  Even though you're going straight to HELL  tongue.gif .  Sorry, bad joke.

All the best,

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But it doesn't matter which spiritual text you read or how much of it. Just read the sermon on the mount, heck just read the Gospel according to Peanuts and either you understand it or you do not. These so called skeptics just refuse to acknowledge what they already know deep down inside of them. They are in denial and simply do not want to face the reality of their unhappiness.




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Posted 21 June 2005 - 11:31 PM

QUOTE(AshKatNah @ Jun 21 2005, 02:24 PM)
No...I don't think the sceptics dismiss all the texts in the Bible because they don't have the time or will to read them through...
I believe it's because they are not letting their lives be guided by some documents whose origins are highly doubtful.
(Who really wrote the stuff? Jesus' followers? You don't know that.)

Why would God need paper to subdue humanity anyway, like he apparently did in the old days of the Bible, when he was "active".
Nowadays, we don't see or hear much from God in that drastic way older civilizations did.

Today, the best and most usual arguments are no better than before;
wars, diseases and misery are Gods punishment for our sins and "you just wait and see when you die" about going to heaven or hell.
Scaring people of the afterlife judgment is a smart move- no one can control the validity of that threat.

The Bible, as a sceptic, I am actually reading through. Right now, I'm on page 313.
Know thy enemy, you know.

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How revealing you message is. Indeed Wars and Diseases and Misery are punishments for our immorality. But they are not sent by God to punish us, any more than the child playing in the road was hit by a truck his parents had hired to run him over because they looked out the window and saw the kid disobeying their order to not play on the road. The punishment is the consequence of doing what our parent God had warned us not to do.



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Posted 22 June 2005 - 02:35 AM

I was being sarcastic.....my goodness.


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Posted 22 June 2005 - 04:24 AM

QUOTE(Irish @ Jun 22 2005, 06:02 AM)
One of the mysteries of Christianity. much to the chagrin of those that do not believe. Is that you must first come to Christ by faith alone and then the truth is revealed to the individual with no doubts.
The facts are revealed within our hearts, but we are only able to show others with words and deeds.

There is evidence of a Creator everywhere we look. There is plenty of documentation in the scriptures. And many to attest to the truth, but again these are but words to the non-believer. But you are correct in a way.
It only becomes reasonable once you have seen the proof, but first you must come by faith and by faith alone.

Who ever said life was fair? Why does the Creator of life have to be reasonable? Perhaps His reasoning is different then ours because of His perspective.
All The Best
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Thanks for that post, Irish.  It's put everything into perspective.  Couldn't have said it better myself.

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Posted 22 June 2005 - 05:29 AM

Personally, i believe that Jesus was a good man who did good things and had a great general philosophy on life and how to live it - treat others as you would like to be treated, don't judge etc.

I don't believe he was the son of God, but then again i don't feel that it is necessary in order for me to see the inherent wisdom in what he was saying, agree with it, and live my life in such a manner (difficult as it can be at times).





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