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[DONTEATUS]

Shh ! I hear my Shoe phone ringing ! I got to answer it ,Oh ! Oh ! ITs Buzz Aldrin He says that E.T`s are Real . That settles it ! Now we can Move on !

[Mentalcase]

Myles, on 12 March 2012 - 05:08 PM, said:

Uh oh!!     BEEP! BEEP! BEEP!    Loss of credibility warning!!
ALL CREDIBILITY HAS BEEN LOST with the mention of Ancient Aliens.

Surely you must mean my credibility? lol

[Myles]

Mentalcase, on 13 March 2012 - 03:59 AM, said:

Surely you must mean my credibility? lol

I hope I didn't insult you.   That was not my intention.  I just have issues with that show.  My 13 year old daughter watched the show and then thought that ancient airplanes were real.  She held this belief because: 1) The show was on the History Channel and 2) The show presents BS as fact in a documentary form.   Of course I brought up the more likely answer which is that the little gold sculptures were not airplanes, but the common flying fish which is popular around those parts of South America.  Ancient Aliens failed to give any airtime to the other side of the story.

Edited by Myles, 13 March 2012 - 11:45 AM.

[Mentalcase]

Myles, on 13 March 2012 - 11:44 AM, said:

I hope I didn't insult you.   That was not my intention.  I just have issues with that show.  My 13 year old daughter watched the show and then thought that ancient airplanes were real.  She held this belief because: 1) The show was on the History Channel and 2) The show presents BS as fact in a documentary form.   Of course I brought up the more likely answer which is that the little gold sculptures were not airplanes, but the common flying fish which is popular around those parts of South America.  Ancient Aliens failed to give any airtime to the other side of the story.

I knew what you meant. I feel the same about that damn show! lol

I would say The NASA Connection was probably their best show though. I still watch it, while it's entertaining on a laughable level, it still is food for thought, even if just scraps.

[psyche101]

Mentalcase, on 12 March 2012 - 05:54 AM, said:

Thanks for the reply Psyche. I've considered all that before. Thing is, I was trying to see how many Astronauts have actually went on record. Finding anything seems tiresome!

Thought a few of our UMers would know.


This isn't my first day researching the phenom. Been 16 years now. Still not convinced either.  

Gidday MC

Gordon Cooper seems to be the most prevalent person to go on record and say "I saw an Alien Craft". The other cases seem to be built up to sound like a UFO, or use their heightened position to elevate other UFO stories, and in some cases the claimants just seem to me to be taken clearly out of context. Looking at the link bouncer left, we can see how many stories have been created to sound far more suspicious than they really are with just a little research, the Ed White example was a satellite for instance. I think if we had more Astronauts trying to speak out, they would be well heard and relayed through the media. That is why Ed Mitchell's lack-luster, and really I find quite boring claim keeps making the papers every few months year after year. Cooper says one landed in front of him and took off, and he filmed it and the film was removed. I do not know, I have heard such a claim so many times now that it does not ring true anymore. And after watching Gordon Cooper's past celluloid appearances, to the latest ones, I just do not know, I feel there is indications of loss of cognitive abilities, but that is just a personal observation and assumption. It strikes me that if this is really the case, and people do take away evidence, we all seem to know the claims, so why do people hand over original film, correct film and never make a backup copy? Surely people must have caught onto this scam at least 40 years ago, and took counter measures? But apparently not.
I have little doubt there will be another 16 years in it for you if you maintain this interest That's not a bad thing, but I am just not sure that answers exist (at least just yet) to the questions people like you and I ask.

[psyche101]

Mentalcase, on 13 March 2012 - 01:11 PM, said:

I knew what you meant. I feel the same about that damn show! lol

I would say The NASA Connection was probably their best show though. I still watch it, while it's entertaining on a laughable level, it still is food for thought, even if just scraps.

I reckon that NASA connection is an old reference blown way out of proportion. Not meaning you referred to NASA but NASA is often cited as covering up for the Government by UFO=ET Proponents.

As we know, President Jimmy Carter had a UFO sighting. As Many presidents have, he wanted to know more about the subject, and if the conspiracy rumours were really true. Deciding that the military were not the right people for the job, Jimmy Carter was advised to approach NASA to consider a full investigation. Carter’s Science Advisor Dr. Frank Press sought to offload the continuing question onto NASA, suggesting to Administrator Dr. Robert Frosch that the space agency not only become the “focal point for the UFO question,” but to pick up where the Air Force left off and spearhead a new government UFO investigations programme. This resulted in Colonel Charles Senn – Chief of Air Force Community Relations – advising NASA to steer well clear of the UFO issue. No doubt inspired by things like the failure, and public dismissal of Project Blue Book or the ever doomed Condon report. And that makes sense, why keep throwing goof money after bad?  In a September 1st 1977 letter to NASA’s Lt. General Duward Crow, Colonel Senn wrote: “I sincerely hope you are successful in preventing a reopening of UFO investigations.” This was touted as suppression, and the rumour grows daily.
Personally, I think the above with a smattering of paranoia is about as much involvement as NASA has in general UFO affairs. With the conspiracists playing up ice particles as alien spaceships, it is a but a smal step into conspiracy territory for NASA from there. We create more mysteries than actually exist. I feel this was all sparked by one mans frugal nature, not an actual action by NASA.

Edited by psyche101, 14 March 2012 - 05:20 AM.

[Mr.Delicious]

To say that witness accounts hold more weight based on the supposed qualifications of the witness does not mean that "I saw this" can be used as sufficient evidence for anything........

[Mentalcase]

Psyche, thanks for the replies.

Some of those "ice particles" are questionable. I've seen numerous videos where experts debunk them, creating the same visual in a lab. A few of the videos circulating do seem to be more then what the skeptics are claiming. This is why I'm on the fence. My experiences plus a few NASA clips. Over the years my interest has been declining. It doesn't stop me from questioning though and I think NASA does know a little something. It's a gut feeling. They would be the ones to know.

For my experiences alone, what I witnessed could have possibly been exactly what my sig entails. However, I have yet to see any known technology do any of the things these "craft" were doing. My first sighting seemed more like bioluminescent life at the bottom of the ocean, then any flying vehicle. This took place in the Appalachian mountains. The second sighting was a craft that flew in from the northeast and by the time it got over head, it turned up and zipped off into space. No joke!


edit; speeel check

Edited by Mentalcase, 16 March 2012 - 02:55 AM.

[booNyzarC]

Mentalcase, on 16 March 2012 - 02:55 AM, said:

A few of the videos circulating do seem to be more then what the skeptics are claiming. This is why I'm on the fence. My experiences plus a few NASA clips.

Hey mate, just wondering...  which NASA clips specifically do you think may be some kind of credible evidence?

[Mentalcase]

booNyzarC, on 16 March 2012 - 03:20 AM, said:

Hey mate, just wondering...  which NASA clips specifically do you think may be some kind of credible evidence?

Great! Now I have to do homework!

I'm not sure of their names off hand Boony, but I'll have a look-see and get back to you soon. Not tonight, but soon. There's a few that spring to mind.

[psyche101]

Mentalcase, on 16 March 2012 - 02:55 AM, said:

Psyche, thanks for the replies.

Some of those "ice particles" are questionable. I've seen numerous videos where experts debunk them, creating the same visual in a lab. A few of the videos circulating do seem to be more then what the skeptics are claiming. This is why I'm on the fence. My experiences plus a few NASA clips. Over the years my interest has been declining. It doesn't stop me from questioning though and I think NASA does know a little something. It's a gut feeling. They would be the ones to know.

For my experiences alone, what I witnessed could have possibly been exactly what my sig entails. However, I have yet to see any known technology do any of the things these "craft" were doing. My first sighting seemed more like bioluminescent life at the bottom of the ocean, then any flying vehicle. This took place in the Appalachian mountains. The second sighting was a craft that flew in from the northeast and by the time it got over head, it turned up and zipped off into space. No joke!


edit; speeel check

Gidday MC

No worries, glad to be of service. I would have to ask you the same question as Boon did, the STS48 is not doubted by anyone as far as I know, which puts the others in a somewhat dubious light the way I see it. The firing of an aft vernier thruster is quite conclusive. I cannot agree that NASA must be in the know, they missed the last 2 Jupiter strikes, which were picked up by an amateur astronomer here in Australia called Anthony "Birdstrike" Wesley. The amateur community rivals NASA these days with millions of people watching the skies each and every night, tracking visually and with radio. Som of the amateur telescopes are to be marveled at, check out these binoculars!



I do not think NASA can hide anything with all these eyes in the skies 24/7 365 days a year.

For the record, I have seen 2 UFO's as well, one when young, and one just last year. I am certain what I saw last year was natural phenomena, and the one as young I have no idea, too long ago really, but I never had reason to think it came from the stars. Personal experiences are no doubt the most convincing, your recollection sounds rather more dramatic than that which I witnessed.

Cheers.

[booNyzarC]

Mentalcase, on 16 March 2012 - 03:29 AM, said:

Great! Now I have to do homework!

I'm not sure of their names off hand Boony, but I'll have a look-see and get back to you soon. Not tonight, but soon. There's a few that spring to mind.

No rush, I'm just curious.