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#31    shadowhive

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Posted 05 October 2011 - 07:30 PM

View PostHerNibs, on 05 October 2011 - 07:28 PM, said:

Hon, that's not even foolish logic, that's paranoia.

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Indeed it is

View PostHerNibs, on 05 October 2011 - 07:29 PM, said:

How is this information gathered?  

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And how is it guaranteed to be accurate and factual?

Edited by shadowhive, 05 October 2011 - 07:31 PM.

So just take off that disguise, everyone knows that you're only, pretty on the outside
Where are those droideka?
No one can tell you who you are
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Posted 05 October 2011 - 07:31 PM

View PostChimpanzee, on 05 October 2011 - 07:30 PM, said:

Ok let me ask a question.

Should people who have been members of the BNP be allowed to become policemen?


Can you say that NO police officers are members right now?

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Posted 05 October 2011 - 07:31 PM

View PostHerNibs, on 05 October 2011 - 07:29 PM, said:

How is this information gathered?  

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We could use the school system to spy on them.

Once the yleave school we should look out for Police investigations.


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Posted 05 October 2011 - 07:33 PM

View PostChimpanzee, on 05 October 2011 - 07:30 PM, said:

Ok let me ask a question.

Should people who have been members of the BNP be allowed to become policemen?

The immense amount of prejudices associated with the BNP make many more problems then you'e trying to associate with homosexuals.

So just take off that disguise, everyone knows that you're only, pretty on the outside
Where are those droideka?
No one can tell you who you are
"There's the trouble with fanatics. They're easy to manipulate, but somehow they take everything five steps too far."
"The circumstances of one's birth are irrelevent, it's what you do with the gift of life that determines who you are."

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Posted 05 October 2011 - 07:33 PM

View PostChimpanzee, on 05 October 2011 - 07:31 PM, said:

We could use the school system to spy on them.

Once the yleave school we should look out for Police investigations.

So we train teachers/administrators to watch, judge and report "suspect" behavior to authorities in order to "tag" individuals as potential problems.  Using this information, in this persons future we can "restrict" them to certain professions?

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Posted 05 October 2011 - 07:33 PM

View PostHerNibs, on 05 October 2011 - 07:31 PM, said:

Can you say that NO police officers are members right now?

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Many probably are but should they be found out they would be sacked because of the risk of unprofessional behaviour. The reason is a lot of skinheads hate gays and blacks.

Reverse it around.

How many gay people hate the BNP enough to plant evidence on one if they were arrested for something?


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Posted 05 October 2011 - 07:35 PM

View PostHerNibs, on 05 October 2011 - 07:33 PM, said:

So we train teachers/administrators to watch, judge and report "suspect" behavior to authorities in order to "tag" individuals as potential problems.  Using this information, in this persons future we can "restrict" them to certain professions?

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yes that would work


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Posted 05 October 2011 - 07:35 PM

View PostChimpanzee, on 05 October 2011 - 07:31 PM, said:

We could use the school system to spy on them.

Once the yleave school we should look out for Police investigations.

Great, soyou want a totalitarian society spying on it's citizens.

So just take off that disguise, everyone knows that you're only, pretty on the outside
Where are those droideka?
No one can tell you who you are
"There's the trouble with fanatics. They're easy to manipulate, but somehow they take everything five steps too far."
"The circumstances of one's birth are irrelevent, it's what you do with the gift of life that determines who you are."

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Posted 05 October 2011 - 07:36 PM

View PostChimpanzee, on 05 October 2011 - 07:26 PM, said:

I'm not saying all of them I'm saying a percentage of them may be inclinded to unprofessional behaviour if they were the judge at a trial where someone is on trial for gay hate crimes.

I'm not saying you would, I'm not saying the next guy would, but a few down the line we'd get one that will.

So would anyone, why are you singling out homosexuals? I'm straight, so does that mean I'll come down on homosexuals?
Or women?
Or maybe you can invent some wild scenario for me.

All judges will at some point come into conflicts of interest. They are supposed to disclose these conflicts if they feel they will affect their ability to assign a ruling.
Do all do so? Probably not, they're human.

So, why are you making homosexuals a special case out of everyone else?

It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.
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Posted 05 October 2011 - 07:36 PM

View PostChimpanzee, on 05 October 2011 - 07:33 PM, said:

Many probably are but should they be found out they would be sacked because of the risk of unprofessional behaviour. The reason is a lot of skinheads hate gays and blacks.

Reverse it around.

How many gay people hate the BNP enough to plant evidence on one if they were arrested for something?


Dunno.  I don't know all gay people.  Heck I know people that may be gay and I don't know it...

I have a question for you.  I'm not being snarky, I really would like to know.

What job would an orphaned, gay, Jewish, black man be eligible for?

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Posted 05 October 2011 - 07:36 PM

View Postshadowhive, on 05 October 2011 - 07:35 PM, said:

Great, soyou want a totalitarian society spying on it's citizens.

No its a free society but only to those that can cope with freedom.


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Posted 05 October 2011 - 07:38 PM

View PostShadowSot, on 05 October 2011 - 07:36 PM, said:

So would anyone, why are you singling out homosexuals? I'm straight, so does that mean I'll come down on homosexuals?
Or women?
Or maybe you can invent some wild scenario for me.

All judges will at some point come into conflicts of interest. They are supposed to disclose these conflicts if they feel they will affect their ability to assign a ruling.
Do all do so? Probably not, they're human.

So, why are you making homosexuals a special case out of everyone else?

I'm not its what the topics about.

I think all people should be assessed to uncover all conflicts of interest.


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Posted 05 October 2011 - 07:38 PM

View PostChimpanzee, on 05 October 2011 - 07:36 PM, said:

No its a free society but only to those that can cope with freedom.

It's not a free society since you'd advocate spying on it's citizens, every person having a 'file' and people being denied jobs based on what it's assumed they'll do.

So just take off that disguise, everyone knows that you're only, pretty on the outside
Where are those droideka?
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Posted 05 October 2011 - 07:39 PM

View PostChimpanzee, on 05 October 2011 - 07:36 PM, said:

No its a free society but only to those that can cope with freedom.
So, freedom for only those you feel should be free, and all those others you find distasteful you want their rights stripped.
So... totalitarian.

It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.
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Posted 05 October 2011 - 07:40 PM

View PostHerNibs, on 05 October 2011 - 07:36 PM, said:

Dunno.  I don't know all gay people.  Heck I know people that may be gay and I don't know it...

I have a question for you.  I'm not being snarky, I really would like to know.

What job would an orphaned, gay, Jewish, black man be eligible for?

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They should be probed to find the conflicts of interest.





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