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Posted 07 January 2012 - 02:42 AM

View Postfarside, on 13 November 2011 - 08:43 PM, said:

Hi Steve
Congratulations on the newspaper article.  Generates interest and reignites theories I hope!  Some of your profiling I agree with – some I don’t.  I don’t think the “...could ONLY (my capitals) have been successfully perpetrated by...” is necessarily true.  I think the following are on shaky ground...
Had some authority over the victims (that “authority” may simply have been a gun)
Was most likely known by the victims (maybe, maybe not)
Had access to a horse (not necessarily) – if they trackers had had an opportunity to inspect the ground prior to anyone else walking on it (some with, some without horses) – I’d give their comments some credence.  The number of people who commented that you couldn’t see evidence/tracks of your own footsteps when you walked about – I’ve walked the site a few times and tested it – you really can’t see any evidence of where you’ve walked on that ground (let alone amongst any marks that a previous 100 or so people may have left before you even got there to analyse it).  Apart from that, it seems the sulky was probably led by someone on foot, leading the horse “Tom” through the wooded area.
Had a motive (maybe nothing more than the desire to commit it)
The screams of “father” are possible at best – but there is doubt about whether that’s what was heard (“sounded” like father - and if so, was it a simply a cry for their own father’s protection.  (Often people scream out a name of a person they love or feel would protect them when they’re in mortal, imminent danger)
Vindicate his actions to himself (if sociopathic – wouldn’t even think about it at all)
I think whoever it was aroused no suspicion among the town people before the event or after it happened.  Different people mentioned different ideas – but there was no single person who was the subject of gossip and suspicion by the community in any meaningful way.
Urquart displayed a consistent arrogance believing completely that he had behaved in an appropriate manner and conducted the investigation correctly – he was very impressed with himself and was highly offended by any questioning of his activities – whether that questioning was by the press, the locals or even the judges at the inquiry.  If Urquart truly knew who committed this crime and he could prove it, his ego would not keep him from speaking up – he wasn’t afraid of or intimidated by anyone.

Like other mysteries, I imagine what I'd see if I could magically spend 10 minutes at the time of the event, watching from afar
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Here is something we have been working on if you are interested http://www.gattonmur...AllSuspects.doc

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Posted 07 January 2012 - 06:26 AM

View PostBudding Colombo, on 15 November 2011 - 06:49 PM, said:

Hi there,
Most of the answers to your questions are in the booklets available at http://www.gattonmurders.com/page5.php
It truly is a most interesting and perplexing crime and anyone with the least bit of interest in it should read them.
The first one is offered Free.

Good advise. I have read the 1st one and it's got a lot of good info.


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Posted 07 January 2012 - 11:44 PM

View PostAntilles, on 07 January 2012 - 06:26 AM, said:

Good advise. I have read the 1st one and it's got a lot of good info.
Hi Mate,
Anyone interested in this crime should at least read the FREEBEE and if serious about trying to nut it out should read the other 13 booklets. http://www.gattonmur...urdersBook1.pdf
Here is something we have been working on if anyone is interested http://www.gattonmur...AllSuspects.doc

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Posted 08 January 2012 - 06:30 AM

Thomas Day - worked for Clarke the butcher and lived at Clarke's residence which was not far from the sliprails and the paddock.

Boy in the sulky told his mother that's Clarke's man as they drove past him in the very bright moonlit night. Day was standing near the sliprails.

He left Clarke's employ not long after the police 'interviewed' him.

Richard Burgess was a crook and probably a murderer but he was not in Gatton on the night of the murders.

1st point about this case that intrigues me - why did Michael Murphy turn the sulky around and head back toward Tenthill without asking anyone why the dance wasn't started? OK, he may have been smart enough to work that one out for himself but you'd think he'd be interested enough to ask why it wasn't on...


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Posted 10 January 2012 - 06:43 PM

View PostAntilles, on 08 January 2012 - 06:30 AM, said:

Thomas Day - worked for Clarke the butcher and lived at Clarke's residence which was not far from the sliprails and the paddock.

Boy in the sulky told his mother that's Clarke's man as they drove past him in the very bright moonlit night. Day was standing near the sliprails.

He left Clarke's employ not long after the police 'interviewed' him.

Richard Burgess was a crook and probably a murderer but he was not in Gatton on the night of the murders.

1st point about this case that intrigues me - why did Michael Murphy turn the sulky around and head back toward Tenthill without asking anyone why the dance wasn't started? OK, he may have been smart enough to work that one out for himself but you'd think he'd be interested enough to ask why it wasn't on...
Hi again,
Good point they have just travelled all that way and did not even stop for a breather.
OR did they?
See Victims to Town Timeline and you will see they had plenty of time to make the dance in time. It is as if they had already planned not to go. http://www.gattonmur...ctimstotown.pdf

As for the person seen near the rails, if he or she was intending to commit a crime it is doubtful they would want to be seen and would hide.
There is no indication that he or she was involved, although they may have seen the one that was.
Much later in the year Thomas Day became a suspect and scapegoat.

What member of society in that era would be above suspicion?

Read the booklets the answer is there but not so easily identifiable. http://www.gattonmurders.com/page5.php

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Posted 11 January 2012 - 06:11 AM

Steve, I've read Stephanie Bennett's book 'The Gatton Murders'.

I've actually gone through and read all the posts in this thread but not once do you say who you think the murderer was.

Except I think you're pointing to a member of the Murphy family.

Care to elaborate?


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Posted 11 January 2012 - 06:47 AM

View PostAntilles, on 11 January 2012 - 06:11 AM, said:

Steve, I've read Stephanie Bennett's book 'The Gatton Murders'.

I've actually gone through and read all the posts in this thread but not once do you say who you think the murderer was.

Except I think you're pointing to a member of the Murphy family.

Care to elaborate?
I have studied this case for many years now, at one stage it seemed the evidence seemed to point to at least one family member, however afer in depth study I now very much doubt anyone in the family committed the crime and without proof am reluctant to indicate my latest thoughts as to the perpertrator. You really should read all the booklets and form your own opinion. I will however give you a cryptic clue "Touch Not The Lord's Annointed".
End of Clues Full Stop, It is important to have as many inquiring minds as possible trying to solve a 113 year old mystery, hence the booklets.
The answer is there.
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Posted 11 January 2012 - 07:07 AM

View PostAntilles, on 11 January 2012 - 06:11 AM, said:

Steve, I've read Stephanie Bennett's book 'The Gatton Murders'.

I've actually gone through and read all the posts in this thread but not once do you say who you think the murderer was.

Except I think you're pointing to a member of the Murphy family.

Care to elaborate?
Stephanie's book blames almost everone, bar the true culprit, maybe the milkman dunnit, more likely the milkman than a 22 year old blow in.
God dammit use your brain and the available evidence to come to a reasonable conclusion.

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Posted 11 January 2012 - 11:16 AM

I actually appreciate just how much work you have put into researching this because your name comes up numerous times when I look for info on the murders.

Ms Bennett wrote her book and put her suspects out there. She certainly makes the whole situation on that very hot night, under an unbelievably full moon,jump out at her readers.


I don't believe a member of the Murphy family was the murderer.

What do you make of Ms Bennett's posit that members and friends of the family of a girl Michael Murphy impregnated and who died having an abortion took revenge on Murphy and his sisters?

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Posted 11 January 2012 - 08:10 PM

View PostAntilles, on 11 January 2012 - 11:16 AM, said:

I actually appreciate just how much work you have put into researching this because your name comes up numerous times when I look for info on the murders.

Ms Bennett wrote her book and put her suspects out there. She certainly makes the whole situation on that very hot night, under an unbelievably full moon,jump out at her readers.


I don't believe a member of the Murphy family was the murderer.

What do you make of Ms Bennett's posit that members and friends of the family of a girl Michael Murphy impregnated and who died having an abortion took revenge on Murphy and his sisters?
Hi again,
Thanks for the kind words.
You must remember however that Ms. Bennett's book was a novel full of her own input, local rumour and her thoughts and conjecture, and should be treated as such.
The booklets I have made available on the subject on the other hand contain only the truth as it was written about at the time, with no personal input or conjecture which will allow the reader to perhaps come to their own conclusion.
Hard evidence or compulsive circumstantial is what is required to force the constabulary to take another look at the case using modern technology.
As for the pregnancy of the girl in question who knows? There is no proof she was even pregnant.
Her relations were never under suspicion as far as I can see, so why mention it in her book other than to provide another suspect, or suspects.
There is only one answer and I feel it is been kept a secret by government and the police to this very day.
I also feel the Gatton community.and perhaps even at least some of the Murphy’s, and locals also knew the answer.
Myself and my small team are trying to gain access to records held by the police which were supposed to be open to public access after 65 years, again ask yourself why?
I doubt they are still kept secret to protect an itineratn labourer, maybe someone of a higher social standing.
113 years of secrecy, ask yourself why?
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Posted 09 February 2012 - 01:52 AM

View Postfarside, on 19 November 2011 - 03:46 AM, said:

Hi Steve.
From my perspective I’ve said what I think happened.  I think it was Thomas Day and if it wasn’t him, I think it was someone like him.  I don’t personally subscribe to any theory (without further substantive evidence) that implies the killer came from Gatton or was known to the victims.  It was without precedent and shocked the Gatton community to the core (implying no-one had any idea why it was done or who did it).  From the moment I read the original book and subsequently researched it myself to this day I’ve held pretty much held the same opinion on it and I’ve never seen or heard anything in the intervening period to alter that opinion.   For me it just remains an unsolvable mystery.
Hi again
I'd like to pick your medical brains if I may.
Do you know if anaesthetic affect the onset of rigor mortis, or keeps a dead body supple?
Does it repel flies?
Also the bush telegraph seems to have gone into hyperdrive as Gatton had a population of 400 including children and the order for burial was issued at about 7pm on the 27th Dec and the funeral held at 11.30 on the 28th how did this happen below
Almost the whole township attended the funeral. The cortege included over 300 horsemen, a large number of vehicles and about 1,000 people in total attended the funeral. (This is an astounding number of people that organised themselves in seemingly no time at all) It is as if they had prior notice.

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Posted 15 February 2012 - 09:04 PM

View PostAntilles, on 11 January 2012 - 11:16 AM, said:

I actually appreciate just how much work you have put into researching this because your name comes up numerous times when I look for info on the murders.

Ms Bennett wrote her book and put her suspects out there. She certainly makes the whole situation on that very hot night, under an unbelievably full moon,jump out at her readers.


I don't believe a member of the Murphy family was the murderer.

What do you make of Ms Bennett's posit that members and friends of the family of a girl Michael Murphy impregnated and who died having an abortion took revenge on Murphy and his sisters?
What could the victims possibly have done to force the whole family to remain silent, before during and after the Inquiry? And indeed it seems the whole town closed up after the worst crime in Australias history until that time, by white against white?
No stone was left unturned by the police, yet no perpertrator found or given up despite a huge reward being offered?

Incest?
Incestual pregnancy?
Impregnated by priest?
Impregnated by other dignitary?
Other reason?

Who would have enough influence over the relatives and the towns people to ensure silence?

What explanation could that person give to ensure that silence?

Who would have enough influence over the victims to make them go voluntarily into a deserted paddock late at night?
I doubt it was a stranger.

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Posted 05 April 2012 - 05:19 AM

may be its helpful for you.that I started researching and gathering information from Police Museum records & State Archives.  This led me to finding these amazing Photo’s of  Queensland's most notorious criminals (1872-1900) as well as files pertaining to our unique history including Queensland's saddest, and most brutal cold case.

After accumulating a wealth of information this is now being transformed into an intriguing  and detailed book  written by Cheryl S Fagan containing a mass of photo's relevant to the Gatton tragedy.    Included also new information regarding the Oxley Murder only 3 weeks prior, was the same gun used?

The story is based on actual true facts relating to the horrific and senseless murder of the Murphy Siblings in 1898.  The truth will be exposed and the identity of the man at the Sliprails revealed, with his associates.   Controversial.....Very....Police intervention...Yes...shrouded in mystery....Absolutely.


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Posted 05 April 2012 - 07:05 AM

View Posteinfopedia, on 05 April 2012 - 05:19 AM, said:

may be its helpful for you.that I started researching and gathering information from Police Museum records & State Archives.  This led me to finding these amazing Photo’s of  Queensland's most notorious criminals (1872-1900) as well as files pertaining to our unique history including Queensland's saddest, and most brutal cold case.

After accumulating a wealth of information this is now being transformed into an intriguing  and detailed book  written by Cheryl S Fagan containing a mass of photo's relevant to the Gatton tragedy.    Included also new information regarding the Oxley Murder only 3 weeks prior, was the same gun used?

The story is based on actual true facts relating to the horrific and senseless murder of the Murphy Siblings in 1898.  The truth will be exposed and the identity of the man at the Sliprails revealed, with his associates.   Controversial.....Very....Police intervention...Yes...shrouded in mystery....Absolutely.
Hi And Thanks For That,
I have been researching this case for a few years now and believe I have the solution to this crime.
It is most intrigueing as you point out.
I have shared all the information I have gathered with anyone who is interested FREE of charge.
I never intended to do anything for personal gain but have however produced a set of 14 booklets for anyone interested, which I sell.
http://www.gattonmurders.com/page5.php
The team we have on the case at the present time consists of a former Victorian Chief Prosecutor, an ex- prison screw, an English historian and one of Brisbane’s leading Psychics, but it is still a battle.
I am convinced this mysterious case will not be solved by 1 person alone but still believe that it can be solved, even if the remaining family members and the elders of Gatton community don’t really wish that it is.
Anything that you can add or help with would be most appreciated.
To my way of thinking the only piece of hard evidence that may still be in existance is a silk handkerchief.
Very Important Please see http://www.gattonmur...allsuspects.pdf
I believe others knew what was to occur and why.
There is a saying that once you rule out everything else what is left no matter how impossible it seems it is most likely the answer.
Also most murders are commited by people known to the victims.
I doubt very much that the Oxley and Gatton cases are related other than in time.

Good Luck,
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Posted 08 April 2012 - 01:21 AM

View Posteinfopedia, on 05 April 2012 - 05:19 AM, said:

may be its helpful for you.that I started researching and gathering information from Police Museum records & State Archives.  This led me to finding these amazing Photo’s of  Queensland's most notorious criminals (1872-1900) as well as files pertaining to our unique history including Queensland's saddest, and most brutal cold case.

After accumulating a wealth of information this is now being transformed into an intriguing  and detailed book  written by Cheryl S Fagan containing a mass of photo's relevant to the Gatton tragedy.    Included also new information regarding the Oxley Murder only 3 weeks prior, was the same gun used?

The story is based on actual true facts relating to the horrific and senseless murder of the Murphy Siblings in 1898.  The truth will be exposed and the identity of the man at the Sliprails revealed, with his associates.   Controversial.....Very....Police intervention...Yes...shrouded in mystery....Absolutely.
Hi again,
I doubt very much it was a gang that did the deed.
The below is a quote from Spencer Browne a reknowned reporter of the day
"We were together in South Africa many nights, and lying out under the stars we often talked of the Gatton tragedy, and we had the opinion that it was the job of one man and a bad 'un who had slipped through the hands of the police. And we both believed that if F. C. Urquhart had had his way the story of the tragedy would have been made plain."
I also doubt that murder was intended but things just got out of hand somehow.
I believe there was a huge cover up from the Vatican down. The then Qld Government (chiefly masons), certain townspeople and the police were also involved in supressing information.
I am willing and happy to share any and all the information I have compiled in the hope of proving who the culprit actually was.
If you are willing to do the same I would be most grateful and it may help to clear this matter up once and for all.
I know some of my ideas seem a little bit strange but you must remember once everything else has been ruled out whatever remains however strange it may seem is most likely, or must be the answer.
info@gattonmurders.com
Regards,
Steve
PS would you happen to have come across a picture of Sergeant Arrell and/or the enigmatic Thomas Day.

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