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#31    Sean93

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 07:03 PM

Praying for 5 minutes and then going back to your life with a clean state of mind...and an appointment with an Afghani hooker the very same day.

Oh, oh and it's also god's version of Britain's Got Talent called - Earth's Got Sinner's. Sob stories abound!

Edited by Sean93, 13 December 2012 - 07:03 PM.

"Regarding life, the wisest men of all ages have judged it alike: It is worthless."

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 09:31 PM

View PostSean93, on 13 December 2012 - 07:03 PM, said:

Praying for 5 minutes and then going back to your life with a clean state of mind...and an appointment with an Afghani hooker the very same day.

Oh, oh and it's also god's version of Britain's Got Talent called - Earth's Got Sinner's. Sob stories abound!

That is not the biblical version of  the repentance necessary for salvation, although it may be the belief/practice of some churches and people.

Biblically the responsibilities of a "sinner' who wants salvation are clear.

First you have to TRULY repent your sin. Ie. be truly sorry that you did it and recognise the harm done by the sin.

  Second you have to make restitution for your sin. In the case of a hooker that might involve going to her /him and saying how sorry you are for treating her as an object obtainable for cash. How you now see her/him as a human being of worth and would never use a prostitute again because of that.

And finally, you have to sincerely believe, intend, and expect that you will NOT commit that sin again  "go and sin no more"
Being human you may fail in that hope and expectation, but you must hope and believe it sincerely, and do your best to "sin no more."

After that, god will judge your heart and mind as to its true intent. All men are saved by the grace of god but they must believe in that salvation. And true belief will ALWAYS include, within itself, a set of  values and actions based on that belief.

So even another human can see a person's true beliefs in how they act.

You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be, and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul.

With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world..

Be cheerful.

Strive to be happy.

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 10:19 PM

View PostMr Walker, on 11 December 2012 - 08:06 AM, said:

This would be fine, except that most of modern humanity seems to be so depressed that it is on medication, including  many pre-adolescents, and suicide is the highest cause of death in people under 40 or so.

Those who aren't depessed are increasingly frustrated, angry, and violent; and also turning to legal and illegal drugs to cope withtheir lives.

That is NOT a functioning society nor a functioning populace, and it is NOT, IMO, how humans are meant to live or should have to live.

Religion isn't the answer either. It is just another scape goat to blame problems on.
Humanity isn't meant to be enslaved mentally either by being trained to fear sky monsters at every turn.


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Posted 13 December 2012 - 10:51 PM

View PostRyu, on 13 December 2012 - 10:19 PM, said:

Religion isn't the answer either. It is just another scape goat to blame problems on.
Humanity isn't meant to be enslaved mentally either by being trained to fear sky monsters at every turn.

Religion as an expression of natural human spirituality does provide an effective answer, but it must come from within, and be a form of freedom, liberation from many of the other physical, and philosophical belief- driven enslavements of man, and a form of empowerment; rather than be imposed from without.

In the case of imposed, rather than inner, belief -driven religions, i agree with you. Like any imposed philosophy or belief system, it can be oppressive.
Religion need not be about fear but the opposite; relief from the natural, evolved fears of humanity; of loss, grief, pain, suffering, loneliness, isolation etc.
That is why oragised religions have been so efective nad enduring since for at least 15000 years. They provide for these basic human needs, very effectively.

There is no fear or guilt or any negative emotion attached to my relationship with god, or to my spirituality. Rather, it is enriching, empowering, liberating and enabling.

I was a good, strong, positive person without god; but i am better, stronger and more positive with him. God helps complete who and what I am as a human being; and thus, in my opinion, god can do the same for every human who accepts the presence of god within them and about them.

Edited by Mr Walker, 13 December 2012 - 10:54 PM.

You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be, and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul.

With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world..

Be cheerful.

Strive to be happy.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 03:15 AM

I didn't say that. The Bible did.
"Born not of blood (means God is not talking about a physical but a spiritual birth), nor of the WILL of the flesh, nor of the WILL of the man; but of God." John 1:13
"Thou (Father) hast given him (Jesus) power over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as thou (Father) has given him (Jesus)."
"You have not chosen me; but I have chosen you. " "I speak not of you all (I know whom I have chosen)" "No man can come unto Me except it were given unto him of My Father."  
"No man can come to Me except the Father, who hath sent me, draw him..."

When Jesus asked the disciples who do you say, I am? The various disciples made guesses which were every one wrong. Jesus turns to Peter and says -- Who do you say, I am? Peter said, Thou art the Christ. Jesus said to Peter, Blessed art thou Peter, for flesh and blood hath not revealed it to thee (missionaries and preachers do not reveal that Jesus is the Christ) but my Father which is in Heaven. Upon THIS rock foundation will I build my church ...

What rock was that? Peter was a stone not as big as a rock. Like in building a wall. Peter was not the rock. The rock foundation is this, "flesh and blood hath not revealed that Jesus is the Christ; but my Father in Heaven." It stays hidden but always alive in Calvinistic doctrine churches and reawakens in such world wide revivals as The Reformation of 1500's. As much as the "free will" doctrine believers hate it, they have never been able to eradicate it. That's because Jesus said the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. Matthew 16:18

They should love it; for far more are saved (as many as the sands of the sea and the stars in heaven) than know they are saved. That's why they need the good news of what God has done 100% by His blood. Why would God give us a revival when preachers are telling people they must do something some work to save themselves, (accept, believe, confess, repent, etc.) taking part of the credit away from God and giving man part credit.
God bless us all is my prayer.

Edited by Copen, 14 December 2012 - 03:16 AM.


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Posted 14 December 2012 - 06:27 AM

Hmmmm...

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 11:56 PM

I just received shocking sad news  that Karlis has passed away...........  Karlis  RIP..  My heart goes out to your loved ones..


Bless you Karlis

I am still in shock..This is one sad day ..

Edited by Beckys_Mom, 15 December 2012 - 12:04 AM.

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 12:31 AM

Karlis "May the Angels lead you into paradise" God bless you. RIP :innocent: :wub:

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 12:38 AM

View PostStar of the Sea, on 15 December 2012 - 12:31 AM, said:

Karlis "May the Angels lead you into paradise" God bless you. RIP :innocent: :wub:

Awww lovely

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 12:42 AM

View PostBeckys_Mom, on 15 December 2012 - 12:38 AM, said:

Awww lovely

Sniff need some tissues, honestly BM I know he will have gone to heaven he was a lovely soul... sad day indeed :cry:

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 12:55 AM

View PostStar of the Sea, on 15 December 2012 - 12:42 AM, said:

Sniff need some tissues, honestly BM I know he will have gone to heaven he was a lovely soul... sad day indeed :cry:

You know something?  He was one who believed in heaven,  I feel he is right were he wants to be, at peace in heaven...I wish him all the best... Bless him and his family

Edited by Beckys_Mom, 15 December 2012 - 12:55 AM.

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 03:54 AM

View PostKarlis, on 13 December 2012 - 03:53 PM, said:

Rom 8:11  ... if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. [At the resurrection to life].


I do realise that the view I'm presenting here is not the mainstream Christian doctrine, but imo, it is what the Scriptures say.
Karlis
Excellent!

"Also, if they (Gospels) were written early (before 70 AD), this would mean that there would not have been enough time for myth to creep into the gospel accounts since it was the eyewitnesses to Christ's life that wrote them."

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 04:06 AM

View PostBeckys_Mom, on 14 December 2012 - 11:56 PM, said:

I just received shocking sad news  that Karlis has passed away...........  Karlis  RIP..  My heart goes out to your loved ones..


Bless you Karlis

I am still in shock..This is one sad day ..
Sorry to hear the death of Karlis. He seemed like a fair man, and served as a good moderator of this website. No doubt, he is in heaven. RIP, Karlis.

"Also, if they (Gospels) were written early (before 70 AD), this would mean that there would not have been enough time for myth to creep into the gospel accounts since it was the eyewitnesses to Christ's life that wrote them."

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 10:52 AM

Salvation means to find the divinity within you by establishing a connection with the powerhouse of divinity, God. I am light. The energy, the soul,anything you call it. And the highest energy, is GOD. We all believe in God but have anybody felt him? To establish a direct personal relationship with him, one needs an understanding of self and the Supreme, God. With the knowledge and meditation, we can meet God and find peace and happiness, all that we need today. Salvation is nothing but this. To get more insight on it, *SNIP*. This could be your final destination in your search for God. :yes:

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 11:03 AM

I hope it isn't inappropriate to say but I find it interesting that one of his last threads here would be about salvation.  I have often heard that we sometimes become aware on some subliminal level when our end is near.  I wonder if this was an attempt by him for a final witness...
Rest in Peace Karlis.  I would have liked to have had the time to know him better.

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