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#226    Frank Merton

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 03:43 PM

I just want to keep our motorbikes, the only real problem with them is the rain here.  That and decentralize everything (so there is little need to travel to get to work or university or shopping centers or gov't services) -- at least they are doing that (central planning makes it possible to tell developers they have to build this or that in a neighborhood that needs it, not where there are too many already).


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Posted 26 March 2013 - 03:51 PM

Besides, they are Germans.  They queue up for everything in nice neat lines. I even expect they respect bus lanes without having to hire a thousand cops to enforce them (as though HCMC had room for more vehicle lanes anyway).


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Posted 26 March 2013 - 04:01 PM

View PostFrank Merton, on 26 March 2013 - 07:47 AM, said:

I'd like to see a table of first frost for some location away from a big city over a century or so.  For a dozen or so towns actually.
I have that information on EXCEL files for the Ouachita National Forest.  You'll have to check the dates of first and last frosts using the low-temperature data and compile your own table, but I have already done the hard part of digging it out of NCDC's records.  There are 31 stations on the list, but only two or three go back a century.  There are techniques for estimating missing temp data with about 90% accuracy if you want to use them.  Using them, you should be able to get back to 1896, leaving a few gaps.  Let me know and I'll email them to you.
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Posted 26 March 2013 - 04:03 PM

View PostFrank Merton, on 26 March 2013 - 03:43 PM, said:

I just want to keep our motorbikes,
I don't see a problem with motorbikes.  They're more efficient than cars.  We should be encouraging them.
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Posted 26 March 2013 - 04:06 PM

View PostLittle Fish, on 26 March 2013 - 01:22 AM, said:

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"Choosing only to look at the 15year period simply because it supports your beliefs is the only unacceptable thing here - and as I have pointed out is called cherry picking."
I choose to look at the 15 year interval to find a zero trend, not because "it supports my beliefs", but because that is the interval period given by the climate modelers in 2008 as a falsifiability test against their climate models. if you find that unacceptable then take it up with the climate modelers who stated it.
I believe what the modelers are saying is that the accuracy level of their models does not extend to shorter time intervals.  That being the case, you'll only prove what they have already admitted:  their models aren't accuarte at short intervals.
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Posted 26 March 2013 - 04:18 PM

View PostLittle Fish, on 25 March 2013 - 09:51 PM, said:

the trend is something to be calculated not "proven".
You need to calculate a number that is not just numerical gibberish.  It has to mean something.
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Posted 26 March 2013 - 05:39 PM

View PostDoug1o29, on 26 March 2013 - 04:03 PM, said:


I don't see a problem with motorbikes.  They're more efficient than cars.  We should be encouraging them.
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Mythbusters found that bikes save feul but pollute as bad as cars.

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 05:41 PM

The climate cycle is 100,000 years, no 15 or 30.

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 05:58 PM

View Postdanielost, on 26 March 2013 - 05:39 PM, said:

Mythbusters found that bikes save feul but pollute as bad as cars.
Fuel that is saved is not burned.  And that means less CO2 pollution.

I suspect Myth Buster pollution estimates were couched in terms of amounts per unit of exhaust.  If so, the concentrations can be as bad, or even worse than cars, but still come out ahead because of the smaller amount of fuel used.
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Posted 26 March 2013 - 06:03 PM

View Postdanielost, on 26 March 2013 - 05:41 PM, said:

The climate cycle is 100,000 years, no 15 or 30.
There are lots of natural cycles that impact climate.  There is no such thing as "the climate cycle."

That 100,000-year figure sounds like one of the three Milankovic cycles.  There's also Bond Cycles (1500 years), the solar cycle (variable, nine to 14 years), the Chandler wobble (3.5 and 7 years) and cycles produced by ocean circulations (North Atlantic Oscillation, Pacific Decadal Oscillation, El Nino Southern Oscillation, etc.).  Lots of natural cycles have an impact.

The 30-year convention is just a measuring device needed because anything less than 30 years will not produce statistically sound results.  It's a measuring device, not a natural cycle.
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Posted 26 March 2013 - 06:06 PM

View PostDoug1o29, on 26 March 2013 - 05:58 PM, said:

Fuel that is saved is not burned.  And that means less CO2 pollution.

I suspect Myth Buster pollution estimates were couched in terms of amounts per unit of exhaust.  If so, the concentrations can be as bad, or even worse than cars, but still come out ahead because of the smaller amount of fuel used.
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Well if you drive one of those elcheapo two-cylinder Chinese jobs I'm sure there is a lot of pollution, but they've pretty much disappeared now.  I'm beginning to see electric motobikes.


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Posted 26 March 2013 - 06:28 PM

View PostFrank Merton, on 26 March 2013 - 06:06 PM, said:

Well if you drive one of those elcheapo two-cylinder Chinese jobs I'm sure there is a lot of pollution, but they've pretty much disappeared now.  I'm beginning to see electric motobikes.
I quite fancy getting an electric rickshaw for local runarounds. They are cheap but not easily available over here in Europe.

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 08:10 PM

View PostDoug1o29, on 26 March 2013 - 06:03 PM, said:


There are lots of natural cycles that impact climate.  There is no such thing as "the climate cycle."

That 100,000-year figure sounds like one of the three Milankovic cycles.  There's also Bond Cycles (1500 years), the solar cycle (variable, nine to 14 years), the Chandler wobble (3.5 and 7 years) and cycles produced by ocean circulations (North Atlantic Oscillation, Pacific Decadal Oscillation, El Nino Southern Oscillation, etc.).  Lots of natural cycles have an impact.

The 30-year convention is just a measuring device needed because anything less than 30 years will not produce statistically sound results.  It's a measuring device, not a natural cycle.
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The 100,000 year cycle, is about what glacial periods ar apart.  We are at thw peak of a warm cycle.

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 09:17 PM

Anyone who wants to be taken seriously in the "global warming" debate if they're floating the premise that it's man-made need to keep their focus on the real cause of the problem, human population growth.

A woman who has a few babies increases her carbon footprint by almost 40 times.   If I stay single I can drive a semi to work, fart daily beefburgers into the atmosphere till the cows come home, crank the A/C up all year and leave a few thousand old fashioned lightbulbs on 24/7/365 and I won't even make the chart next to another mother plopping out another consumer of the environment.

Sorry alarmists, if global warming is an anthropogenic problem, the solution is shrinking the human population not buying energy saving light bulbs or a Toyota Prius.

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 09:38 PM

View PostYamato, on 26 March 2013 - 09:17 PM, said:

Anyone who wants to be taken seriously in the "global warming" debate if they're floating the premise that it's man-made need to keep their focus on the real cause of the problem, human population growth.

A woman who has a few babies increases her carbon footprint by almost 40 times.   If I stay single I can drive a semi to work, fart daily beefburgers into the atmosphere till the cows come home, crank the A/C up all year and leave a few thousand old fashioned lightbulbs on 24/7/365 and I won't even make the chart next to another mother plopping out another consumer of the environment.

Sorry alarmists, if global warming is an anthropogenic problem, the solution is shrinking the human population not buying energy saving light bulbs or a Toyota Prius.

Switching lightbulbs and cars tends to be more socially acceptable than preventing people having kids or killing people off. And significantly less effort to enforce.

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