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#31    redhen

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 09:28 PM

View PostRatte, on 05 June 2013 - 08:39 PM, said:

This is exactly the kind of thing the OP was talking about. This amounts to little more than a thinly veiled insult, acting as if each Muslim is to blame for one decidedly small groups actions.

No it's not an insult, it legal terms it's called due diligence.

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Not every Muslim takes what the fanatics have to say in stride. Or to heart. But I do know that, where I'm from, Muslims won't even try to defend themselves in fear of being attacked. I'm not a Muslim and I get attacked (mostly verbally, of course) for simply defending people.

But where are all the massed protests against murderous Jihadists in the West? I haven't seen any. CAIR or some other Muslim organization will put out a press release denouncing these attacks, and that's pretty much it.

Moderate Muslims should be outraged by their Jihadi extremists and protesting, en masse. Specifically, they should be protesting outside of Andy Choudry's masjid.


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Posted 05 June 2013 - 09:38 PM

View Postredhen, on 05 June 2013 - 09:28 PM, said:

No it's not an insult, it legal terms it's called due diligence.

But where are all the massed protests against murderous Jihadists in the West? I haven't seen any. CAIR or some other Muslim organization will put out a press release denouncing these attacks, and that's pretty much it.

Moderate Muslims should be outraged by their Jihadi extremists and protesting, en masse. Specifically, they should be protesting outside of Andy Choudry's masjid.

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 10:27 PM

View Postredhen, on 05 June 2013 - 09:28 PM, said:



No it's not an insult, it legal terms it's called due diligence.



But where are all the massed protests against murderous Jihadists in the West? I haven't seen any. CAIR or some other Muslim organization will put out a press release denouncing these attacks, and that's pretty much it.

Moderate Muslims should be outraged by their Jihadi extremists and protesting, en masse. Specifically, they should be protesting outside of Andy Choudry's masjid.
This is why my faith in humanity falters daily.

Who is to say that they are not outraged? The fact remains that if they say a thing regarding their religion, they will be, at the very least, verbally attacked. They can not defend themselves because of the anti-Muslim sentiment that has America by its gonads.

And what of the other religious attacks? Bombings of abortion clinics, the Olympic bombing? Where is the Christian outrage at this?

Every religion or lack thereof has its extremist groups. You can not judge the many by the actions of the few.

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 10:27 PM

I think when china takes over the world it will wipe out all religious people entirely.


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Posted 05 June 2013 - 10:59 PM

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Moderate Muslims should be outraged by their Jihadi extremists and protesting, en masse. Specifically, they should be protesting outside of Andy Choudry's masjid.


because that is exactly what moderates does not do ... protesting something does not mean acknowledging something of the opposite ...
moderates does not agree with the manner of anti Islam sentiments currently so prevalent too ...

there are many moderates that challenges and treat all this antagonists and protagonists with a scholastic manner, not preaching or proselytizing  :

IKIM Views (Institut Kefahaman Islam Malaysia)

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 11:20 PM

When you think of it from the Christian point of view, how vile are the Phelps? Most Christians don't approve of their actions and yet you only see a couple of hundred people protesting against them at any given time. Where are the millions of Christians in the US while they are spreading their hate?


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Posted 05 June 2013 - 11:25 PM

View PostDarkwind, on 05 June 2013 - 07:08 PM, said:

OMZJ, Yamato, Why do I have to watch a video of some young girl talk about her religion. I mean if she was sitting there butt naked I might get through the whole thing, but she lost me in the first minute or so.  Are you that young woman?  Why don't you explain why you're a Muslim?  My step-nephew is a Muslim. He told me he is a Muslim because everything he needs to know is explained by the Koran. To which I said, in other words you are unable to think for yourself. Naturally that went over like a lead balloon.   If you can come up with a better reason than he did then please enlighten me.
I'm not Muslim or religious and have no interest in converting.   My interests include questioning false stereotypes and ending world conflict.   Christians say that everything is explained in the Bible too, so that doesn't set Islam apart either.   I'm fighting the unconscious tendency in so many peoples' minds to divide people:  If I can just split the country up into left vs. right, rich vs. poor, young vs. old, religious vs. irreligious, male vs. female, straight vs. gay, black vs. white, and all the rest of them, then I'll make some kind of political progress.  That kind of thinking enables all the war in the world.  I can't say there is no just war, or that no war breaks out for a worthy cause.  But divisive reactionary politics that tarnish entire populations for the actions of the few is what makes human conflict indefinite.

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 11:32 PM

There nothing wrong with the basic religion Islam which means peace be with you and a belief as Chistanity man is of one soul, but its the damm highjack radiacals of that religon that want to control the religion, women and the world.Muslims all over the world should protest.

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 11:45 PM

View PostPerfection, on 05 June 2013 - 10:27 PM, said:

I think when china takes over the world it will wipe out all religious people entirely.

only thing is the Dragon and its heads ( Communism) has all but been defeated with the fall of Russia ( that was the direct work of the Lord of the Second Advent) , very soon China will also denounce communism as it embraces Capitalism and then democracey , Then north korea will fall unable to stand  , unfortunatly the real battle is between Christians and Muslims if they can find a way to unite, a universal teaching that embraces them both under it will allow this, This is the role of the Lord of Second Advent, to unify the faiths and destroy false doctrines..Those who are the Clouds he comes on  are also the "flood" waters.

its not the role to convert, but to work between the faiths,( so to enchourage those to hold onto ones faith and represent it before God , sealed under there lampstand)  but also to work between the govt of the world and various religous organisations and faiths  to foster peace and bring a completed testament, this testament ( the completed testament, the new truth, the book given to John in his revelation that " tasted sweet as honey in the mouth but turns bitter in the stomach" ) reveals the salvation of mankind unfolding historicaly in the same manner as the Ark of Noah, 3 levels, 3 dispensational time frame periods ( 1st level: things that slither and slide, 2nd level : things that walk on all 4s, 3rd level: birds of the air)  it also shows that the world is originaly under Satan (1st Adam), then Gabriel (2nd Adam) them Michael (3rd Adam), we can know Adam was the tree of life ( 1st Adam) because Jesus told us he was "The tree of Life" 2nd Adam, this does not detract from the revelation of the prophet Mohamad or the message of Jesus and his importance. (It shows there missions and the importance of each)


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Posted 06 June 2013 - 12:18 AM

Let's get one thing straight. Wars are caused by testosterone & nothing else


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Posted 06 June 2013 - 12:23 AM

View PostPerfection, on 06 June 2013 - 12:18 AM, said:

Let's get one thing straight. Wars are caused by testosterone & nothing else
This is exactly what I'm talking about in #37

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 12:34 AM

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only thing is the Dragon and its heads ( Communism) has all but been defeated with the fall of Russia ( that was the direct work of the Lord of the Second Advent) , very soon China will also denounce communism as it embraces Capitalism and then democracey , Then north korea will fall unable to stand  , unfortunatly the real battle is between Christians and Muslims if they can find a way to unite, a universal teaching that embraces them both under it will allow this, This is the role of the Lord of Second Advent, to unify the faiths and destroy false doctrines..Those who are the Clouds he comes on  are also the "flood" waters.
I rather like the idea of Communism. The idea is a great one, though something that can not be realistically carried out. Yes, North Korea will fall, but not because they are a bad guy and bad guys are always vanquished in the end, but rather because people can't keep their noses out of other people's business.

Also, if that implies destroying other religious documents, that would not be cool at all. There are some Hindu texts that are much older than the texts of other faiths and are very fun reads.

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its not the role to convert, but to work between the faiths,( so to enchourage those to hold onto ones faith and represent it before God , sealed under there lampstand)  but also to work between the govt of the world and various religous organisations and faiths  to foster peace and bring a completed testament, this testament ( the completed testament, the new truth, the book given to John in his revelation that " tasted sweet as honey in the mouth but turns bitter in the stomach" ) reveals the salvation of mankind unfolding historicaly in the same manner as the Ark of Noah, 3 levels, 3 dispensational time frame periods ( 1st level: things that slither and slide, 2nd level : things that walk on all 4s, 3rd level: birds of the air)  it also shows that the world is originaly under Satan (1st Adam), then Gabriel (2nd Adam) them Michael (3rd Adam), we can know Adam was the tree of life ( 1st Adam) because Jesus told us he was "The tree of Life" 2nd Adam, this does not detract from the revelation of the prophet Mohamad or the message of Jesus and his importance. (It shows there missions and the importance of each)
I'm not saying this to be rude, but; what?

Can you maybe separate this into paragraphs or organize it in a way that it is more easily understood?

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 12:38 AM

View PostRatte, on 05 June 2013 - 10:27 PM, said:

Who is to say that they are not outraged? The fact remains that if they say a thing regarding their religion, they will be, at the very least, verbally attacked.

By whom, other Muslims? That just proves my point, the moderates are afraid to speak out publicly.

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They can not defend themselves because of the anti-Muslim sentiment that has America by its gonads.

You don't think Americans would love to see Muslims protesting in front of radical, militant Masjids and Mosques?

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And what of the other religious attacks? Bombings of abortion clinics, the Olympic bombing? Where is the Christian outrage at this?

Here we go. These are isolated incidents perpetrated by lone wolves. There's no global, militant, crusader network despite the paranoia of some Muslim leaders.

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Every religion or lack thereof has its extremist groups. You can not judge the many by the actions of the few.

That's not true. Show me an example of a militant, murderous Jain?

Look, you can have all the ecumenical love fests you want, preaching cultural and religious relativism. That won't change the fact that while most religions have progressed with modernity, others are still stuck in a Bronze Age mindset.

Stoning is sanctioned by Sharia law, and is enforced. In 2007 a woman was sentenced to a judicial stoning in Iran. I came across the full movie of The Stoning of Soraya M. on Youtube recently. From what I see, the only errors against Islam they committed was that they only had two witnesses instead of three, tsk, tsk.

When it comes to other Bronze Age practices like slavery, the Wiki entry states; "As recently as the early 1960s, Saudi Arabia's slave population was estimated at 300,000. Along with Yemen, the Saudis abolished slavery only in 1962"





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Posted 06 June 2013 - 12:56 AM

View PostMichelle, on 05 June 2013 - 11:20 PM, said:

When you think of it from the Christian point of view, how vile are the Phelps? Most Christians don't approve of their actions and yet you only see a couple of hundred people protesting against them at any given time. Where are the millions of Christians in the US while they are spreading their hate?

Funny you should mention that...  I was reading something from the WBC site.. What they have said about the rest of the Christian world is hateful...  They note  - Every other Christian throughout the world are filled with lies and lies are preached from their pulpits every day, they do not know the bible,  they will burn in hell.

Everyone but the WBC are going to burn.. These people are effing nuts... I also read that the KKK don't even like them, and that's saying something !!

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 01:34 AM

View Postredhen, on 06 June 2013 - 12:38 AM, said:



By whom, other Muslims? That just proves my point, the moderates are afraid to speak out publicly.
What is more important to you? Your image in the eyes of other people or your safety?

View Postredhen, on 06 June 2013 - 12:38 AM, said:

You don't think Americans would love to see Muslims protesting in front of radical, militant Masjids and Mosques?
Frankly? I don't. Because people would misunderstand and violence would happen. Further fostering hate.

I dunno about you, but when someone punches me, I punch back.

View Postredhen, on 06 June 2013 - 12:38 AM, said:

Here we go. These are isolated incidents perpetrated by lone wolves. There's no global, militant, crusader network despite the paranoia of some Muslim leaders.
It's all the same. There are people who do bad things everywhere, in all walks of life. My point is that you can not judge a whole based on some individuals.

If foreigners were to judge the United States by me, they might think "Well, they're all ugly and have weird hobbies, but they're pretty nice. Could use a breath mint." But I am not all Americans.

View Postredhen, on 06 June 2013 - 12:38 AM, said:

That's not true. Show me an example of a militant, murderous Jain?

Look, you can have all the ecumenical love fests you want, preaching cultural and religious relativism. That won't change the fact that while most religions have progressed with modernity, others are still stuck in a Bronze Age mindset.

Stoning is sanctioned by Sharia law, and is enforced. In 2007 a woman was sentenced to a judicial stoning in Iran. I came across the full movie of The Stoning of Soraya M. on Youtube recently. From what I see, the only errors against Islam they committed was that they only had two witnesses instead of three, tsk, tsk.

When it comes to other Bronze Age practices like slavery, the Wiki entry states; "As recently as the early 1960s, Saudi Arabia's slave population was estimated at 300,000. Along with Yemen, the Saudis abolished slavery only in 1962"



I never said I support or agree with their beliefs, laws or policies. I just said and implied that there is no need for racism and hatred.

And okay, maybe you won't find any with murderous intent there, but I'm speaking in general terms.

People need to be educated, not looked down upon. Dang.

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