Still Waters Posted September 7, 2012 #1 Share Posted September 7, 2012 Loch Ness is credited by many to be the home of an unidentified species of large, yet highly elusive and rarely seen aquatic animals. Every creature on Earth is connected through evolution to every other. There is, in the end, only a limited number of possibilities as to Nessie's place on the family tree. Herein we take one view, proposing that the most parsimonious explanation for the mystery in Loch Ness is that it is home to a rare and as yet unnamed species of Giant Salamander. http://thelochnessgi...gray-photo.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xquizit Posted September 7, 2012 #2 Share Posted September 7, 2012 Wow, interesting... Sooo.... What they are saying is that there are 2 types of species? Loch ness and salamander? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orangepeaceful79 Posted September 7, 2012 #3 Share Posted September 7, 2012 I don't know about everyone else but I feel more confused after I read all that than before I started.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted September 7, 2012 #4 Share Posted September 7, 2012 You know, in Australia a "beast with two backs" is a euphemism for people having sex... 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arbenol Posted September 7, 2012 #5 Share Posted September 7, 2012 It's only the most parsimonious explanation if you start from the assumption that there is a large unidentified creature in Loch Ness. If you don't assume that, then the most parsimonious explanation is that there is no large unidentified creature in Loch Ness. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jello Posted September 8, 2012 #6 Share Posted September 8, 2012 Perhaps there will someday be an explanation for this creature. Till then, there will be many skeptics and even more theories. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatecraft Posted September 8, 2012 #7 Share Posted September 8, 2012 There is already an explanation for this creature: It doesn't exist. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lyonsroar Posted September 8, 2012 #8 Share Posted September 8, 2012 I was under the impression this picture was already explained... It's a dog swimming back to shore with a stick in its mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mule Posted September 8, 2012 #9 Share Posted September 8, 2012 It means you can save 15% on your car insurance 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orangepeaceful79 Posted September 8, 2012 #10 Share Posted September 8, 2012 There is already an explanation for this creature: It doesn't exist. Awww - but that explanation is obviously no fun - otherwise we wouldn't have all these lovely discussion boards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orangepeaceful79 Posted September 8, 2012 #11 Share Posted September 8, 2012 I was under the impression this picture was already explained... It's a dog swimming back to shore with a stick in its mouth. Woof woof! I'm a nessie! I love my master, he threw this stick and now I am going to take it back to him because I love him so - hey look, a man with a camera, I bet he would love it if I thrashed about with this stick my loving master so lovingly threw. Woof woof! SQUIRREL!!!!!! Sorry guys....I had to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clobhair-cean Posted September 9, 2012 #12 Share Posted September 9, 2012 Generally speaking, large, cold-blooded animal, like giant salamanders would have a really hard time surviving in the cold (maximum 5-7° C) waters of Loch Ness. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urisk Posted September 9, 2012 #13 Share Posted September 9, 2012 I've always had a major problem with the "dog swimming with a stick in it's mouth" based on the fact that if the little dongle bottom left is it's tail then it has an absolutely mahoosively long back! But if it's only a dog's head, and this is in the middle (big black patch the nose etc) then it perhaps looks ab it more like it. But that first picture's been doctored to bring out the contrast and suchlike hasn't it? To me it looks more like a porpoise that's been stranded, and the tide is in around it giving the illusion that it's actually submerged. Could be a toy dolphin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junior Chubb Posted September 9, 2012 #14 Share Posted September 9, 2012 Now I have seen the image after hearing the 'dog theory' I cannot see anything but a dog with a stick in its mouth. Before this I was open to it being an unidentified aquatic animal. The power of suggestion is strong with this one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q-C Posted September 9, 2012 #15 Share Posted September 9, 2012 Generally speaking, large, cold-blooded animal, like giant salamanders would have a really hard time surviving in the cold (maximum 5-7° C) waters of Loch Ness. Sorry, we don't speak Generally. All I see is a crashed stealth bomber. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arbitran Posted September 9, 2012 #16 Share Posted September 9, 2012 As I mentioned on another thread, the Grey photo most closely resembles a grey seal, Halichoerus grypus, in my opinion. They're endemic to the North Atlantic, and have been documented as appearing occasionally in Loch Ness. Given it isn't indigenous to the loch, it's not hard to believe that the locals could very well misidentify a 3m-long, grey, flippered animal as a monster of some sort. The Grey photo looks to me like a grey seal playing in the water; having spent some time studying grey seals, I can say that if I took a still photo of one playing on the surface of the water, it would look very much like the Grey photo. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harlequin Dreamer Posted September 10, 2012 #17 Share Posted September 10, 2012 If you look closely at the back of the object in the photo you can see bigfoot westling an alien. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urisk Posted September 10, 2012 #18 Share Posted September 10, 2012 As I mentioned on another thread, the Grey photo most closely resembles a grey seal, Halichoerus grypus, in my opinion. They're endemic to the North Atlantic, and have been documented as appearing occasionally in Loch Ness. Given it isn't indigenous to the loch, it's not hard to believe that the locals could very well misidentify a 3m-long, grey, flippered animal as a monster of some sort. The Grey photo looks to me like a grey seal playing in the water; having spent some time studying grey seals, I can say that if I took a still photo of one playing on the surface of the water, it would look very much like the Grey photo. Grey seal? Hmm, good call. Quite a trek for one, through all those locks, which would probably merit a bit of disbelief at actually seeing one there! Thing is it doesn't have to actually be at Loch Ness. A seal hauled out with the tide coming in around it would be enough. To be honest the picture is really awful as it is, which makes me wonder more and more that if there is a Loch Ness Monster, it must have some sort of baffling device on it that affects machinery with complex parts and chemicals. That picture has always bothered me; Some really badly taken picture of an out-of-focus blob in water that conveniently misses out all background thus rendering any notion of scale moot, and we're meant to take it as proof of something living in Loch Ness? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insanity Posted September 27, 2012 #19 Share Posted September 27, 2012 Generally speaking, large, cold-blooded animal, like giant salamanders would have a really hard time surviving in the cold (maximum 5-7° C) waters of Loch Ness. Actually many amphibians fair quite well in cold water, better then most reptiles. Hellbenders prefer water around 68F (20C) but will still eat around 45F (7C). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRIPTIC CHAMELEON Posted September 27, 2012 #20 Share Posted September 27, 2012 There is already an explanation for this creature: It doesn't exist. And if they didn't exist in some form or the other we would not have a forum to discuss the fact. So hence they must exist as you wouldn't be here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macroramphosis Posted September 28, 2012 #21 Share Posted September 28, 2012 The Cryptic Chameleon on the Giant Salamander thread - I like it. Where's the damn "like" button ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clobhair-cean Posted September 28, 2012 #22 Share Posted September 28, 2012 (edited) Actually many amphibians fair quite well in cold water, better then most reptiles. Hellbenders prefer water around 68F (20C) but will still eat around 45F (7C). "Will still eat" isn't quite the same as "fare quite well". That's the low end of their ability to survive. And we're talking about a lake that's 7C at its warmest. Edited September 28, 2012 by Clobhair-cean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldorado Posted September 28, 2012 #23 Share Posted September 28, 2012 Take it from me folks, if there was a giant creatrure in that Loch it was caught and eaten three hours after first contact. Broth-pot. That's what we do here. Always have, always will. And then we drink and tell each other tales. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insanity Posted September 28, 2012 #24 Share Posted September 28, 2012 "Will still eat" isn't quite the same as "fare quite well". That's the low end of their ability to survive. And we're talking about a lake that's 7C at its warmest. While the average temperature is around 42F (6C), during the summer water temperatures can reach near 57F (14C), and can reach higher. At a depth of 75m, the temperature remains fairly consistent near 42F (6C) year round. Even in the summer, it be a chilly swim, but not too bad. Lake Superior here in the States, keeps a colder temperature in the depths, 200m, year round 39F (4C) and the surface reaches about the same max in the summer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thegreatsilence Posted September 28, 2012 #25 Share Posted September 28, 2012 "Will still eat" isn't quite the same as "fare quite well". That's the low end of their ability to survive. And we're talking about a lake that's 7C at its warmest. Siberian newt (Salamandrella keyserlingii) can move at 1 C, so there is a precedent at least. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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