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#121    ninjadude

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 04:04 AM

View Postjoc, on 13 November 2012 - 04:01 AM, said:

.you are missing that the end result of ObamaCare is Single Payer..

you can make that prediction. But it's not in the law or intent. I'd also question your record of prognostication....

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 04:09 AM

It's certainly has that intent. It's the only logical long term path.

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 04:16 AM

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Qualified Health Plans (QHPs)

Exchanges should be designed to provide qualified individuals and small businesses with access to an insurers’ QHPs. QHPs are described in the ACA as a type of health plan that is subject to a specified list of requirements related to marketing, choice of providers, plan networks, essential benefits, and other features. QHP issuers will have to be licensed by each state in order to be eligible to provide coverage within their boundaries, and offer at least one QHP at the silver or gold level of coverage.
http://www.ncsl.org/...-exchanges.aspx

Each state's exchange decides who can offer a QHP.  So any barrier is local. If Mississippi doesn't want Massive Healthcare of NY to operate there, they can do that. But I'm sure that MHNY would object legally.

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 09:34 AM

View Postpreacherman76, on 13 November 2012 - 02:48 PM, said:

Thats not true joc. If it were so, he wouldnt have taken that outta the bill. There was no reason for him to take it out. In fact, if one didnt understand that he sold out to health insurance companies, it would be very hard to understand why he took it out at all. All he did was piss off the people who supported him. 0bama is not a socialist, contrary to popular belief. He is a government run by corperations kinda guy. Wants to run a Oligarchy type government.

The problem is simple. as yiuo stated.. he rules as OLIGARCHY type government, to bad this was a DEMOCRACY type country.. "WE THE PEOPLE" now a few people that make the rules. but we as a nation vote and make the rules.. ive said it before, ill say it again.. he is a socialist.. and oligarchy then be it.. (which is not true) but say it is.. still not the way this country was built on.. not for 43 previous presidents!! This guy is a wolf in sheeps clothing!!!

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 09:36 AM

White people are now the minority.. I really liked what O'Reilly said, because OMG how true is this!!! during election day!

“The white establishment is now the minority,” O'Reilly said. “And the voters, many of them, feel that the economic system is stacked against them and they want stuff. You are going to see a tremendous Hispanic vote for President Obama. Overwhelming black vote for President Obama. And women will probably break President Obama's way. People feel that they are entitled to things and which candidate, between the two, is going to give them things?”

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 11:50 AM

View PostLucidElement, on 14 November 2012 - 09:34 AM, said:

The problem is simple. as yiuo stated.. he rules as OLIGARCHY type government, to bad this was a DEMOCRACY type country.. "WE THE PEOPLE" now a few people that make the rules. but we as a nation vote and make the rules.. ive said it before, ill say it again.. he is a socialist.. and oligarchy then be it.. (which is not true) but say it is.. still not the way this country was built on.. not for 43 previous presidents!! This guy is a wolf in sheeps clothing!!!

I wasnt defending him.

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 12:51 PM

View Postjoc, on 13 November 2012 - 03:08 PM, said:

Really?  

Yes really. You spend far to much time listening to him, instead of watching what he actualy does. He is sold out through and through to banks and big corperations. If all you did was look at his actions, this wouldnt even be a question. BTW its just as bad as being a socialist. In some ways worse.

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 12:53 PM

View PostLucidElement, on 14 November 2012 - 09:34 AM, said:

The problem is simple. as yiuo stated.. he rules as OLIGARCHY type government, to bad this was a DEMOCRACY type country.. "WE THE PEOPLE" now a few people that make the rules. but we as a nation vote and make the rules.. ive said it before, ill say it again.. he is a socialist.. and oligarchy then be it.. (which is not true) but say it is.. still not the way this country was built on.. not for 43 previous presidents!! This guy is a wolf in sheeps clothing!!!

BTW this isnt a democracy either. Its a constitutional republic. Just so we are clear.

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 02:30 PM

View Postpreacherman76, on 14 November 2012 - 12:51 PM, said:

Yes really. You spend far to much time listening to him, instead of watching what he actualy does. He is sold out through and through to banks and big corperations. If all you did was look at his actions, this wouldnt even be a question. BTW its just as bad as being a socialist. In some ways worse.
I don't spend much time at all listening to him.  He is a liar through and through.  And...it isn't that HE has sold out to the banks and big corps...if anything it is that THEY have sold out...to him!  The banks didn't bail him out now did they?  No one saved his ass from bankrupcy court did they?  mmm hmmm

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 03:24 PM

View Postjoc, on 14 November 2012 - 02:30 PM, said:

I don't spend much time at all listening to him.  He is a liar through and through.  And...it isn't that HE has sold out to the banks and big corps...if anything it is that THEY have sold out...to him!  The banks didn't bail him out now did they?  No one saved his ass from bankrupcy court did they?  mmm hmmm

But 0bama didnt bail out the banks. Not the first time anyway. That was Bush, who was also owned by the banks. The ties between government, the federal reserve, and goldman sachs is as deep as it is undeniable. 0bama is just a bank puppet, same as Bush was, same as Clinton, ect ect ect. You give 0bama way to much credit. He's just a front man. No way are the most powerful people on the planet going to bow to him. He takes his orders from them, thats why it was even possible for him to be re-elected. They would put a bullet in his head long before they took orders from him. Just ask JFK. Oh wait, you cant.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 05:54 AM

View Postpreacherman76, on 14 November 2012 - 03:24 PM, said:

But 0bama didnt bail out the banks. Not the first time anyway. That was Bush, who was also owned by the banks. The ties between government, the federal reserve, and goldman sachs is as deep as it is undeniable. 0bama is just a bank puppet, same as Bush was, same as Clinton, ect ect ect. You give 0bama way to much credit. He's just a front man. No way are the most powerful people on the planet going to bow to him. He takes his orders from them, thats why it was even possible for him to be re-elected. They would put a bullet in his head long before they took orders from him. Just ask JFK. Oh wait, you cant.
Again, you are missing something...Bush is not owned by the banks...geeez man, clue up on things, for real!...the Bush's OWN the banks...and the reason JFK was shot in the head:  because he wanted to change the dollar...he had just introduced the Silver Back...which was backed by Silver Reserves.   That's why he is dead.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 02:33 AM

View PostLucidElement, on 14 November 2012 - 09:34 AM, said:

but we as a nation vote and make the rules.. ive said it before, ill say it again.. he is a socialist.. and oligarchy then be it.. (which is not true)

So why say it if you know it's not true. The nation did vote. It's clear which ideas won.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 02:35 AM

View PostLucidElement, on 14 November 2012 - 09:36 AM, said:

White people are now the minority.. I really liked what O'Reilly said,
“The white establishment is now the minority,” O'Reilly said.

So can you explain why this in important to you and the gas bag? (well besides the fact that it means the republicans will have fewer members)

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 07:19 AM

View Postjoc, on 12 November 2012 - 02:30 PM, said:

By 2016 the Government will be bankrupt.
When you consider the 16 trillion debt, arguably it is now (bankrupt).

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 07:31 AM

View Postjoc, on 15 November 2012 - 05:54 AM, said:

Again, you are missing something...Bush is not owned by the banks...geeez man, clue up on things, for real!...the Bush's OWN the banks...and the reason JFK was shot in the head:  because he wanted to change the dollar...he had just introduced the Silver Back...which was backed by Silver Reserves.   That's why he is dead.
I heard he was murdered because he wanted to shut down the Federal Reserve. I guess a similar reason...he wanted to strengthen the dollar.
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