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#46    Professor Buzzkill

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 01:13 AM

View Postdarkmoonlady, on 04 March 2013 - 09:51 PM, said:

The original Wall Street Journal article here  is far less conspiracy and more about the marketing decisions that health insurers use to sell you things they think can be preventative measures to disease.

More likely it would be used by insurance companies to not pay out on medical issue.

Insurance company "I see the doctor told you to cut down on fatty foods?"

You "yes"

Insurance "well, on the 23rd of December you brought a frozen pizza. This was against doctors recommendations. Unfortunately we won't be paying out for you medical operation."


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Posted 05 March 2013 - 01:51 AM

lol, how does insurance know you ate that pizza, and not your kids. or you bought it for someone else.

if they want to deny your calim, they will, they don't need you grocery list for that.

i like good CT my self, but this is BST

Edited by aztek, 05 March 2013 - 01:53 AM.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 05:18 AM

Fess is right; stores push cards. I cut up my grocery loyalty card. It didn't have my name or address, but it still tracked my shopping habits. I always thought that someone might use it to surveil me. The article validates my hunch. I can't count the times that book and other stores push cards on me. My instinct tells me that they do this for hidden reasons. They likely want to build behavioral profiles of us that go beyond mere economic, inventory, planning, etc. concerns.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 06:46 AM

View PostDetective Mystery 2013, on 05 March 2013 - 05:18 AM, said:

Fess is right; stores push cards. I cut up my grocery loyalty card. It didn't have my name or address, but it still tracked my shopping habits. I always thought that someone might use it to surveil me. The article validates my hunch. I can't count the times that book and other stores push cards on me. My instinct tells me that they do this for hidden reasons. They likely want to build behavioral profiles of us that go beyond mere economic, inventory, planning, etc. concerns.

Darn it!  I just got a Starbucks card... :(

I wonder if banks do the same with debit cards...

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 09:34 AM

I hate health insurance. Hate it, just the idea on gambling on a person's life for cash seems wrong. Maybe the owners of health insurance companies should go hang out at gambler's anon because they spend all of their time doing it. It is an addiction they too can get help. I guess doing anything to win at playing the ponies is ok though the ponies are people.

Brb going to the store with my ex's card and paying cash on booze, ice cream, and various forms of lub.... oil, yeah oil.

Edited by Jinxdom, 05 March 2013 - 09:35 AM.


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Posted 05 March 2013 - 12:20 PM

View PostJinxdom, on 05 March 2013 - 09:34 AM, said:

I hate health insurance. Hate it, just the idea on gambling on a person's life for cash seems wrong. Maybe the owners of health insurance companies should go hang out at gambler's anon because they spend all of their time doing it. It is an addiction they too can get help. I guess doing anything to win at playing the ponies is ok though the ponies are people.

Brb going to the store with my ex's card and paying cash on booze, ice cream, and various forms of lub.... oil, yeah oil.
Remember gambling is only bad when you're degenerate. The insurance companies are the house and the house always wins. They'll never feel that they have a problem. Sometimes they can lose though, but it's rare. I only say that cause I just seen a movie called John Grishams the Rainmaker. If ya seen it you'd know what I mean.


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Posted 05 March 2013 - 12:52 PM

http://abclocal.go.c...orts&id=9013402 -police scanning plates to put into an information database.
http://www.bankrate....rtals-work.aspx -shopping portals that track your online spending habits to target advertising for you.
http://patients.abou...cords/a/mib.htm -Medical information database used by life/health insurers.
http://techtips.salo...hone-23247.html - How to track people with their cellphones. (Information goes to a website/database)
http://knowledge.wha...?articleid=1208 - Tracking how people drive their shopping carts around in a store to see where to place promotional items, etc.
http://zeenews.india...ups_828342.html -using social media to track movement.
I could do this forever, but I the point I am trying to make is that it is impossible to do anything without data being gathered from you.  In the near future, I see a world where every aspect about you is online and accessable.  And the worst part is that others own this information and sell it to each other freely.


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Posted 05 March 2013 - 05:54 PM

View PostOverSword, on 04 March 2013 - 10:28 PM, said:

I figured as much, I was just breakin yer yabbos bro.
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seriously guys (and guyesess!)
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agreeing to disagree is to be commended.....
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Posted 05 March 2013 - 06:02 PM

View PostOverSword, on 04 March 2013 - 10:28 PM, said:

I figured as much, I was just breakin yer yabbos bro.
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seriously guys (and guyesess!)
UM could do with more of the spirit of this.
we're all here with an opinion, or we wouldn't be here.
agreeing to disagree is to be commended.....
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View PostLava_Lady, on 05 March 2013 - 01:10 AM, said:

Isn't this invasion of privacy?
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that was the point of the OP lady (or can I call you madam...? :-) ), that this IS an invasion of privacy.
same goes for cookies I suppose;- you're allowed to view their website on the condition that the website owner can tell ANYONE HE WANTS that you've viewed his website.....

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 06:17 PM

View Post-Mr_Fess-, on 05 March 2013 - 12:20 PM, said:

The insurance companies are the house and the house always wins. They'll never feel that they have a problem.
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kudos on this'n brother.
insurance companys (the house) can pretty much charge what they want (initial stake), because they know it's compulsory, there's no getting around it, and you have to keep throwing in your sees and your raises just in case they're bluffing (not paying your claim due to 'consumerism data'), so you end up holding on to the tiger's tail and paying that you don't let go.....

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 04:16 AM

View PostLava_Lady, on 05 March 2013 - 06:46 AM, said:

Darn it!  I just got a Starbucks card... :(

I wonder if banks do the same with debit cards...

Supposedly, some "see something/say something" people freak out if someone buys coffee with cash. It's supposed to be a sign of links to terrorism. LOL That's according to a DHS list of "suspicious" acts and individuals. That's the same one that claims that some returning veterans might be domestic terrorists.

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 04:24 AM

View PostGromdor, on 05 March 2013 - 12:52 PM, said:

http://abclocal.go.c...orts&id=9013402 -police scanning plates to put into an information database.
http://www.bankrate....rtals-work.aspx -shopping portals that track your online spending habits to target advertising for you.
http://patients.abou...cords/a/mib.htm -Medical information database used by life/health insurers.
http://techtips.salo...hone-23247.html - How to track people with their cellphones. (Information goes to a website/database)
http://knowledge.wha...?articleid=1208 - Tracking how people drive their shopping carts around in a store to see where to place promotional items, etc.
http://zeenews.india...ups_828342.html -using social media to track movement.
I could do this forever, but I the point I am trying to make is that it is impossible to do anything without data being gathered from you.  In the near future, I see a world where every aspect about you is online and accessable.  And the worst part is that others own this information and sell it to each other freely.

Thanks for posting the links. One wonders what the real reason for all of this growing and spreading tracking is, as you read about this phenomenon each day. Is there an end game in which their plan will be complete, and we'll learn the real reasons for this needless Orwellian nonsense? That's assuming that they have a rational justification, in the first place.

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 04:32 AM

Money.


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Posted 06 March 2013 - 04:44 AM

View PostGromdor, on 06 March 2013 - 04:32 AM, said:

Money.

They waste a lot of it on needless spying. On the other hand, many corporations make a lot of it by making the products that are used to spy on Americans.

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