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Posted 03 February 2013 - 07:55 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 03 February 2013 - 04:37 PM, said:

No, but to do that they don't need a registry, all they need is a company of soldiers. Now, if you want your paranoia stand in the way of avoiding crime (regardless if it is all crime or only some percent of it) one should wonder whether you want a solution at all or would prefer civilization to decay in bands of armed hooligans.

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 07:58 PM

View PostCrimsonKing, on 03 February 2013 - 06:14 PM, said:

Frank the lunatic will cause trouble no matter what they will find away,car accidents kill more every year than guns do and not just drunk drivers pure accidents.Should we ban cars and make the gov drive us all around because lots are not responsible enough to drive?

no, but car laws have reduced the number of deaths. Gun control would do the same. It's not an all or nothing proposition. We don't live in a black and white world.

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 08:01 PM

View Postjoc, on 03 February 2013 - 07:54 PM, said:

Sounds like your making a case for more Border Control.  

Assuming you mean the border to Mexico, it IS controlled. There's nothing more to do. This is now a red herring.

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 08:10 PM

It took you 3 posts to say nothing. I congratulate you on wasting 10 seconds of my life.


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Posted 03 February 2013 - 08:15 PM

View PostRavenHawk, on 29 January 2013 - 06:38 PM, said:

We've all heard Andrew Cuomo say this line during the state of the State address on 9 Jan but sounding more like something from a 1930s era German-American Bund Rally.  The question I want to ask is, how many bullets are needed to bring down a tyrannical government?

Against a government that has billions of their own bullets, countless missiles and thousands of nukes... well, I think the question is a bit redundant, if not completely stupid.


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Posted 03 February 2013 - 11:41 PM

View Postninjadude, on 03 February 2013 - 08:01 PM, said:

Assuming you mean the border to Mexico, it IS controlled. There's nothing more to do. This is now a red herring.
Did that really come out of your mouth?  Or were you farting?
So,what you are telling us all is that no more illegal aliens come across the border from Mexico?  Really now.  And the drug cartels have stopped growing Marijuana in our state parks?  That's great news!!!!  I didn't know! Why hasn't our Great Leader told us this marvelous and wonderous news?

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 01:04 AM

View Postjoc, on 03 February 2013 - 07:26 PM, said:

We trace them in other ways.  Forensics.  Witnesses.  But the bigger question is...so, we catch The Lunatic...(i.e. The Aurora shooter) What then?  Everyone knows he's guilty.  But the justice department has made a mockery of justice.  True justice would be...convene a jury the following day, if warranted, and again, the innocence of the Aurora shooter is not even in question, then, hang the accused by the neck in front of the court house in which he was convicted and sentenced to death.  Swift...lethal...sends a message to all.
Ah, but no, keep him out of sight for a year or two, then make a public spectacle out of a trial that the Media can glom onto and make millions.  Then, set him up in prison with 3 squares a day, plenty of sex, TV, gym, whatever he wants, needs, or desires...and best of all...make the public pay for it all.  Is that justice? No.
American justice is a joke.  Hmmmm...maybe that is the reason the rest of the world is laughing at us.
I agree in essence.  I think if we hold televised public executions that it would send a message.  Although I canít help but consider those public executions we see in the Muslim nations under Sharia law and how we think that is so barbaric.  But thinking about it more, it really isnít the form of execution but for what the punishment is for.  There are clearly things like adultery that carry a death sentence there but we here in the west would just say Ė so what?  For punishment of mass murder, there should be public executions, whether they were in their right mind or not.  Part of the problem in our society is that for the past 30 or so years, our children are taught that there are no consequences to their actions.  There is no failing in school.  If you fail, itís not your fault.  Just blame something or someone else.  This carries over into real life when these children try to cope in that real world and get a face full of reality.  Need I repeat myself again and say this is the fault of the Socialist leaning public education system?!  The message sent by public execution is that there are consequences to our actions.  People wonder why we are so far down on test rankings among the other nations Ė yeah, I wonder too.  There is no challenge left for our kids to succeed.  Weíve stolen it from them and now we target guns for what we did to the children?

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 01:28 AM

People like the Aurora shooter dont usually have a very pleasant experience in prison and the sex likely wont be consensual. unless hes in solitary his gym will be where he gets thrill killed by some gang banger trying to earn cred with his bros..as for his food. They usually have special plates set aside for his type of criminal with the "good food" in it. Really pleasant.

But I like your idea better saves money.

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 01:31 AM

View PostExpandMyMind, on 03 February 2013 - 08:15 PM, said:

Against a government that has billions of their own bullets, countless missiles and thousands of nukes... well, I think the question is a bit redundant, if not completely stupid.
Ah yes, the government has more arms and ammo but you need bodies that will use them against the American people.  If revolution comes, itís not going to be some Ruby Ridge or Waco.  Itís going to be widespread.  There will probably be some trigger where the military takes out a neighborhood or something but after that initial event, I see the military either stepping down or joining the people.  The military takes an oath to the nation, not Obama and the people are the nation.  It will be the people by virtue of their arms that will force the military to make that decision.  Will the diehards left in the military be willing to use nukes on the American People?  So no, the question is not redundant or stupid but weather or not the politicians will listen or not.

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 02:26 AM

View Postninjadude, on 03 February 2013 - 08:01 PM, said:

Assuming you mean the border to Mexico, it IS controlled. There's nothing more to do. This is now a red herring.
I'd disagree. There is more that could be done.

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 02:33 AM

View PostRavenHawk, on 04 February 2013 - 01:31 AM, said:

Ah yes, the government has more arms and ammo but you need bodies that will use them against the American people.  If revolution comes, it's not going to be some Ruby Ridge or Waco.  It's going to be widespread.  There will probably be some trigger where the military takes out a neighborhood or something but after that initial event, I see the military either stepping down or joining the people.  The military takes an oath to the nation, not Obama and the people are the nation.  It will be the people by virtue of their arms that will force the military to make that decision.  Will the diehards left in the military be willing to use nukes on the American People?  So no, the question is not redundant or stupid but weather or not the politicians will listen or not.
I agree. It is the height of anti-gun belief that US soldiers will gun down their own people who are trying to Revolt against Tyranny. Since we've seen even hard core Fundamentalist Loyal True Believers turn sides in Libya and Egypt and other nations, I find it Very Hard to believe that US soldiers would go to open war with US civilians in a long term engagement. I was in the Army in the 1990s and I would bet my life that very few of the soldiers I knew would knowingly open fire on a protesting or even a rioting civilian mob. Unless it was in fear of their life. But, that would only happen once, and then the Unit would refuse to deploy.

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 03:52 AM

View Posttipotep, on 31 January 2013 - 01:27 AM, said:

Maybe using the term machine gun was abit off , how about military style guns that are capable of shooting 20+ rounds in a short time . Is this a better terminology ?

Yes the term was very off. The only thing military about the style is cosmetics. You can buy a Lamborghini body kit for a Pontiac Fiero but underneath the hood it's still just a Fiero.


View Posttipotep, on 31 January 2013 - 01:56 AM, said:

something that can launch 20 + bullets from 1 magazine is not IMO what the " average " citizen needs .

That's arguable but the great thing about America is that we can have things we want but don't need. It's not to each according to his needs here. Yet.

View Postquestionmark, on 31 January 2013 - 05:13 PM, said:

him?:

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Besides being in his sixties at the time he hardly had to move ten flights of stairs nor did he he have (at least according to the picture) a BMI of more than 30. Many would love to be that thin.

You must be a big guy if you consider that guy thin by any means.

View PostProfessor Buzzkill, on 31 January 2013 - 11:12 PM, said:

This is true. I have heard Obama speak on gun control. He spoke about rural vs urban areas and mentioned hunting. Not once did he mention why people actually have the right to own guns. It is the elephant in the room which noone in the govt wants to admit too.

I would love to hear Obama or any president speak to the nation on the importance of the second amendment or the constitution in general with passion and sincerity. Seems these days more like ya ya that's the law, we know about it but we must try and figure out how to work around it. Obama was a constitutional professor. You'd think he'd like to educate us all on it considering the current dialogue. How bout it Mr. Prez? Use you're power of the press just like a state of the union address and teach the confused country about it. Personally, I don't see anything wrong or wasteful about a president using his time talk to for something like that.

View PostFrank Merton, on 03 February 2013 - 05:09 PM, said:

They might or they might not.  Guns do make something a lot easier than putting together bombs.

I think public executions achieve nothing more than cheapen the society in which they occur.

When you put a person to death you eliminate any chance they might change, and make the execution of an innocent person from time to time a virtual certainty, and to what end?  Obviously the death penalty didn't deter them.

I agree with occasional innocents but a swift trial and execution is reasonable compared to the fame they seek and sometimes get. Edit: I mean the no doubt about it guilty like the Auroa shooter.
Besides, they took away somebody else's chance to live. Why should I care if he changes?

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 04:21 AM

View Postninjadude, on 03 February 2013 - 08:01 PM, said:

Assuming you mean the border to Mexico, it IS controlled. There's nothing more to do. This is now a red herring.
No, it is not controlled.  In just the last few years people have been killed in Texas and Arizona by people crossing the border.  In the 80s my unit ran joint exercises with the Border Patrol at Pendleton.  We showed them our recon techniques and they were just totally blown away.  We took them through $-hit that most people couldnít even go, let alone dare.  We rarely used trails or roads.  The terrain at Pendleton is pretty rugged.  And we were constantly finding evidence of illegals using Pendleton as a route up from the border.  In 2004-2005 my wife worked for the Border Patrol and in social gatherings, I asked PB Officers about how their techniques have changed.  And they basically stated that they rely totally on observation (electronic and human).  They just donít have enough man-power to run effective patrols.  There are 6 Border Patrol Inspections sites in New Mexico that I know of, basically centered on Las Cruces.  If anyone has travelled on I10 or I25, youíll know that there are vast amounts of open space that provide cover and concealment.  The border is porous.  If they donít focus on closing it then we should just admire the Emperorís new clothes.

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 04:28 AM

View PostRavenHawk, on 04 February 2013 - 01:31 AM, said:

Ah yes, the government has more arms and ammo but you need bodies that will use them against the American people.  If revolution comes, it's not going to be some Ruby Ridge or Waco.  It's going to be widespread.  There will probably be some trigger where the military takes out a neighborhood or something but after that initial event, I see the military either stepping down or joining the people.  The military takes an oath to the nation, not Obama and the people are the nation.  It will be the people by virtue of their arms that will force the military to make that decision.  Will the diehards left in the military be willing to use nukes on the American People?  So no, the question is not redundant or stupid but weather or not the politicians will listen or not.


The politicians will first make the miltary think that there own citizins are the enemy just as we see the police being trained to think that now.

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 04:33 AM

Might try stoppin treatin the border like a novelty. you build a fence and put a bunch of carrots on the other side the rabbits gonna jump the fence or dig under it to get the carrot. If you throw some stuff over the fence then the rabbit dont have the need to get through so bad. Unless its trying to find someplace to have babies away from a bunch of racoons. You see where I live the racoons are bigger then the rabbits. So the rabbits gotta hide. Big deal. The land was there way before me the fence  the rabbit or the racoon. Its a stupid fence anyways.





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