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#1    Detective Mystery 2014

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 04:00 AM

Greetings to our members across the pond. Here's a question for you from someone who has roots in and ties to all five countries that comprise the British Isles. What are the real differences between English, Irish, Northern Irish, Scottish, and Welsh people? I'm referring to cultural, religious, genetic, physical, intranational, regional, socio-political characteristics, or, anything that comes to your mind that would be instructive to a mongrelized Yank like me. :yes:

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 06:31 AM

View PostDetective Mystery 2013, on 22 March 2013 - 04:00 AM, said:

Greetings to our members across the pond. Here's a question for you from someone who has roots in and ties to all five countries that comprise the British Isles. What are the real differences between English, Irish, Northern Irish, Scottish, and Welsh people? I'm referring to cultural, religious, genetic, physical, intranational, regional, socio-political characteristics, or, anything that comes to your mind that would be instructive to a mongrelized Yank like me. :yes:

Ireland...two countries? That should bring some interesting responses.

I think you'll find that most members of these 'Septic' Isles usually consider that the ruling class in London ignore the rest of us peasants that live elsewhere.

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 07:40 AM

I thought the main difference was Celtic as compared to Anglo-Saxon/Roman origins.


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Posted 22 March 2013 - 10:40 AM

I cannot believe you asked this question *flees in abject terror*

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Posted 23 March 2013 - 02:26 AM

View Postzebra99, on 22 March 2013 - 06:31 AM, said:

Ireland...two countries? That should bring some interesting responses.

I think you'll find that most members of these 'Septic' Isles usually consider that the ruling class in London ignore the rest of us peasants that live elsewhere.

You could fill a book with the questions you want answering.

I'm all for a united Ireland. I have to deal with the facts and statistics at hand, though.

It sounds like you have the same governmental problems that we do. We now work for the government, which is the opposite of how it should be in a purported representative government.

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Posted 23 March 2013 - 02:31 AM

View PostFrank Merton, on 22 March 2013 - 07:40 AM, said:

I thought the main difference was Celtic as compared to Anglo-Saxon/Roman origins.

Those are myths written by jingoistic historians. Both Celts and Saxons represented tiny parts of the whole population in comparison to the original pre-invasion inhabitants. The indigenous population was much larger than both groups, even though both groups were very influential. The Romans came before the bulk of the Angles, Saxons, Jutes, etc., by the way.

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Posted 23 March 2013 - 02:44 AM

View PostSimbi Laveau, on 22 March 2013 - 10:40 AM, said:

I cannot believe you asked this question *flees in abject terror*

So far, we've had no soccer riots. We've not even had a pub brawl.

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Posted 25 March 2013 - 04:26 AM

Can you distinguish an average Englishman from an average Irishman based on their physical appearance? Do people from certain regions have unique appearances? It's my understanding that people from Norfolk have lighter features while people from Wales have darker features. It would be interesting to learn if there's any basis for this.

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Posted 25 March 2013 - 05:03 AM

View PostDetective Mystery 2013, on 25 March 2013 - 04:26 AM, said:

while people from Wales have darker features.

That's because they still can't get the coal dust out of their creases.


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Posted 25 March 2013 - 05:51 AM

Can you distinguish on appearance a Japanese from a Korean from a Chinese from a Vietnamese?  If you got that, then distinguish a Mongolian or a Taiwanese or an Okinawan or a North vs. South Chinese or a Tibetan or a Laotian.

There are systematic differences that make rules-of-thumb possible, but there are also always individuals who break the rules.


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Posted 25 March 2013 - 01:58 PM

The English and the Irish are so fundamentally different that its a shame that the shared language confuses the English into thinking we are the same.

Unfortunately the Irish still have a victim culture carried over from Colonial times which makes it difficult for them to take responsibility for their own national character flaws and mistakes. The English are fairly straightforward people who tend to take you as you come without prejudging you. The Irish and the Welsh at least will prejudge you - place you in a little labelled box and never change their opinion of you from that day forward.  Tradition is fairly much ignored in England but tends to be the defining quality of the Celtic fringes.

Just my observations from having lived as an English/Irish man in both England and Ireland.

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Posted 25 March 2013 - 02:22 PM

View PostBr Cornelius, on 25 March 2013 - 01:58 PM, said:

The English and the Irish are so fundamentally different that its a shame that the shared language confuses the English into thinking we are the same.

Since when do the English think the Irish are the same as them?

If anything, it's actually the other way round.  Many Irish (and other so-called "Celts" of the British Isles, even though they are nothing of the sort) are now fond of telling the English that they are not Anglo-Saxon but are actually "Celtic" like them, even though genetic studies show otherwise.


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Tradition is fairly much ignored in England but tends to be the defining quality of the Celtic fringes.


I think it's ludicrous to say that the English have no sense of tradition.

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Posted 25 March 2013 - 09:53 PM

View PostTheLastLazyGun, on 25 March 2013 - 02:22 PM, said:

Since when do the English think the Irish are the same as them?

If anything, it's actually the other way round.  Many Irish (and other so-called "Celts" of the British Isles, even though they are nothing of the sort) are now fond of telling the English that they are not Anglo-Saxon but are actually "Celtic" like them, even though genetic studies show otherwise.




I think it's ludicrous to say that the English have no sense of tradition.
As a man who i doubt has actually ever lived in a Celtic nation I very much doubt you have any experience of what the Celtic fringes think or believe, and I doubt you really have any comprehension of how deeply the Celtic nations hold their traditions compared to the English.

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Edited by Br Cornelius, 25 March 2013 - 09:54 PM.

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 02:29 AM

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That's because they still can't get the coal dust out of their creases.

They also descend from darker-featured people. Lighter-featured people tend to live in the eastern regions while darker-featured people tend to live in the western regions.

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 02:34 AM

View PostFrank Merton, on 25 March 2013 - 05:51 AM, said:

Can you distinguish on appearance a Japanese from a Korean from a Chinese from a Vietnamese?  If you got that, then distinguish a Mongolian or a Taiwanese or an Okinawan or a North vs. South Chinese or a Tibetan or a Laotian.

There are systematic differences that make rules-of-thumb possible, but there are also always individuals who break the rules.

I sometimes can do that. It's relatively easy to notice disparities between northern Asians and southern Asians. Of course, Asian people notice differences that I likely will miss. The same kind of rule might apply to people who live in the British Isles.

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