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#31    Big Bad Voodoo

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 12:44 PM

View Postkeninsc, on 09 February 2013 - 12:32 PM, said:

So you see, there is no dot in this case unless the bomb was only as powerful as this person said it was, and when tested, it was way more powerful than he said it was, so there is no dot to connect....

Yes there is no dot in that case. But there are plenty where we already have a whole picture.
Also I would like that you answer other part of my previous post. Such as do you made plans? What is alternative to conspiracy?
In fact I think you dont understand what conspiracy is. It isnt that some reptilians, aliens find in some somkey room and create evil plans.
Conspiracy , simply, meand secret agenda. Secret plan.
So I dont get it which part dont you get.
Is it that powerfull elite do plans? Or that powerfull elite didnt introduce plan to you therefore plan doesnt exist? Meaning its secret to you.

Edit: Even when I give you example of prooven conspiracy you will say :Oh that was then. So please answer me when humans stop being ploters and become love and caring for eachothers?

Personally Im very sad that I didnt find time for UM conspiracy sub forum and UM paranormal sub forum.

Edited by the L, 09 February 2013 - 12:54 PM.

JFK: "And we are as a people, inherently and historically, opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths, and to secret proceedings.
For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy..."

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 12:54 PM

Everyone believes in something and disbelieves something else... i don't like one size fits all, or half,  descriptors for People.  
Some here  seem to thrive on pointing out how WRONG  others are... some seem to be more helpful.  
    It seems odd, and funny,  to me that  in ANCIENT MYSTERIES and  ALTERNATIVE  HISTORY  ... Mysteries are so often dismissed with "  but there is no evidence for that!"    DUHHHHHHHH  uhuh,   that's why it's a Mystery?    Also , there is often  little or no evidence for ALTERNATIVE HISTORY .. it's just fun to think about and discuss? ... or should be.

As for conspiracy theories ,   there is no such thing as  A CONSPIRACY BELIEVER...    as if  all conspiracies are either true  or  false.   If you are a conspiracy UNBELIEVER you are being duped  some of the time.

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 02:06 PM

View Postkeninsc, on 09 February 2013 - 08:09 AM, said:

Personally, I post here because I'm intrigued at the mental processes involved in the beliefs some people have about conspiracies. Don't get me wrong, I do have my own, so I'm no exception, but I don't believe JFK was a plot with dark and hidden intrigues, I don't believe 911 was the work of our own government. I don't believe flight 600 was shot down by a US missile. I don't think the Illuminati controls everything. I do believe there are other intelligent being in the universe, I simply don't believe they're coming to Earth to shove the ever present ice cold anal probe up old farmer Brown's bung hole. Chemtrails.....please.

My own personal feeling is that the truth of such things is simply too mundane and it's just so much cooler to believe all this sort of crap........even though, if it were true......then how is it that we'd know about it? The whole point of a conspiracy is to keep it quiet and under wraps so no one ever knows and here we are talking about it. posting about it. Virtually every week there's some new "revelation" exposed about this or that secret group or dark society. If it's a secret then they need to do a better job of keeping it that way.

So, yeah, I'm interested in learning what makes people believe this stuff.

Well, that and I can report what you guys know to my Masters.

Well you believe in things many do not ,but you stick to what you know and are interested in .



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Posted 09 February 2013 - 02:09 PM

View Postlightly, on 09 February 2013 - 12:54 PM, said:

Everyone believes in something and disbelieves something else... i don't like one size fits all, or half,  descriptors for People.  
Some here  seem to thrive on pointing out how WRONG  others are... some seem to be more helpful.  
    It seems odd, and funny,  to me that  in ANCIENT MYSTERIES and  ALTERNATIVE  HISTORY  ... Mysteries are so often dismissed with "  but there is no evidence for that!"    DUHHHHHHHH  uhuh,   that's why it's a Mystery?    Also , there is often  little or no evidence for ALTERNATIVE HISTORY .. it's just fun to think about and discuss? ... or should be.

As for conspiracy theories ,   there is no such thing as  A CONSPIRACY BELIEVER...    as if  all conspiracies are either true  or  false.   If you are a conspiracy UNBELIEVER you are being duped  some of the time.

Well see,I'm not a big UFO Bigfoot kind of fan ,but I don't go into those forum and tell everyone who is,they're wrong.
I happen to believe there are aliens ,and cryptids out there ,but the topics don't interest me as much as others do ,so I don't post in those forums very frequently .
As for conspiracies ,well ,some have been proven to be true in the past,so who knows .

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 02:13 PM

View PostSimbi Laveau, on 09 February 2013 - 06:27 AM, said:

I was just reading this thread , http://www.unexplain...howtopic=242661 ,and it makes one ponder ,WHY .

The title of this forum ,is UNEXPLAINED MYSTERIES ,and each sub forum has a very definative title as well.
Why,if you do not believe in anything unexplained ,occult ,mysterious or conspiracy ,why do any of the non believers post and come to this forum then .

Why don't you all post in a forum for people who think people who are believers , are just all delusional .

And I'm not trying to start flame wars ,but it begs the question ,are people who post in forum for things they do NOT believe in ,only posting to creat trouble ,belittle others ,or be a troll ....


If you're a non believer ,what do you get out of a forum for unexplained mysteries ?

What fun would it be just talking to people who agree with you?

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 02:17 PM

View PostChrlzs, on 09 February 2013 - 10:58 AM, said:

Here's some of the things said so far on this thread, about what might loosely be called debunkers (very probably including me..)


So are you folks aware of the Report function?  Or are you simply not using it, and would you rather just generalise, handwave and avoid being specific?

Seriously - if YOU are being 'attacked', just report the post - see that little button at bottom left?

But if it's just your views or claims that are being challenged, then .. toughen up.  If you can't defend those views, for example if a simple explanation is being posted for what you hoped was paranormal, or your viewpoint is being challenged by real references or statistics or science that contradicts you, or you have been taken in by a hoax.. isn't it better that the truth wins out?

Or is it more important that your claims are never challenged, your pride never hurt?
it's nothing to do with having one's pride hurt, it's the sheer supercilious superiority of some of those who are happy to define themselves as "Debunkers"; the "I am Rational and not swayed by old fashioned Superstition unlike you people". When people use the word "rational", that so often identifies them as feeling that they're superior to the superstitious or credulous masses. See: any of Richard Dawkins' Atheist evangelism. That does tenhd to irritate a lot of people.

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 02:28 PM

View PostSky Scanner, on 09 February 2013 - 10:44 AM, said:



This isn't a forum of like minded people, at all, it's a forum of all types of people. The term 'unexplained mysteries' can't be narrowed down into two groups - believers and sceptics. Belief and scepticism has very little to do with why i'm here, i'm interested in people, how they draw their conclusions, how they'll filter out other views to hold onto their own...I find that very interesting. Plus, we live in a world where perception through taught behaviour influences how we judge and respond to things that might fall under the umbrella of 'Unexplained Mysteries', that impacts us all, and should interest us all.

I understand that this forum is older than most ,and there's a wide diversity of people. I'm friends here with many skeptics ,but they do not go out of their way,to immediately jump on others because of their beliefs.

If you can speak and debate ,you have one thing .If you just keep repeating SHOW PROOF,or SEE A DOCTOR  ,to people who believe what they believe because of things other people cannot comprehend ,or its based in faith , it doesn't seem like these people post to debate anything. They post because just because they like to act superior to people they deem beneath, them mentally .

This has caused many constituents of this forum ,to go to other forums ,and there are many people here who do not post,for fear of ridicule. which I think is a shame . .

And there are forums ,that have a title,and that is what they discuss there.
Its to exchange ideas with people who are in your clique .Not argue as to why you believe what you do.  
Im not saying a good debate isnt a healthy thing , but my observation is ,its not always a debate ,as so much a bashing party .

My observation would have to be ,some people get off on the bashing part .
I mean there's a reason I posted this in psychology :)


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Posted 09 February 2013 - 02:41 PM

Everyone is a believer and a non-believer -- depends on what it is.  I find this sort of thing close to an attempt at censorship -- a sort of "this is my board you shouldn't be on it 'cause you don't believe."


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Posted 09 February 2013 - 02:44 PM

I don't enjoy bashing anyone; in fact I detest arguments.  What I like is finding out things and I can't do that without asking questions, even if the questions sometimes have to have a sharp edge.  As a general rule if I discern that someone doesn't want to have their beliefs questioned, I stop reading what they post and go to others.


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Posted 09 February 2013 - 03:00 PM

View PostSimbi Laveau, on 09 February 2013 - 06:27 AM, said:

Why,if you do not believe in anything unexplained ,occult ,mysterious or conspiracy ,why do any of the non believers post and come to this forum then .

It seems you have a narrow view of "unexplained". There are many unexplained things in science, history, philosophy, culture, etc.

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Why don't you all post in a forum for people who think people who are believers , are just all delusional .

There are many unexplained things that are not simply a matter of belief.

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And I'm not trying to start flame wars ,but it begs the question ,are people who post in forum for things they do NOT believe in ,only posting to creat trouble ,belittle others ,or be a troll ....

Well, for one, I find the philosophy and psychology of belief fascinating. Same with the science of knowledge, epistemology.

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If you're a non believer ,what do you get out of a forum for unexplained mysteries ?

Just because you encounter something that's unexplained, doesn't mean you have to embrace a certain belief about it.

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p.s. I find the UM to be very receptive of new ideas. If you really want your core beliefs challenged, head over to the home of the Internet Infidels.

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 03:05 PM

I must say that quote hits it -- we don't have to adopt a belief about things we don't understand.  We can just say we don't know.

I wonder, however, if the human mind really will accept this -- we always seem to have to have a belief, and so many adopt really fanciful beliefs, to boot.


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Posted 09 February 2013 - 03:13 PM

View PostSimbi Laveau, on 09 February 2013 - 06:27 AM, said:


If you're a non believer ,what do you get out of a forum for unexplained mysteries ?

Well for start if you dont have a open mind contrary to just beliver, you wont get much plus you will mostly likely annoy others and probably flame too like so many cases already on the forums.. I flame too but that is only when it reaches boiling point,,,

UM is a great place for first hand news, maybe sometimes abit subjective, but still a news source with an option to comment on certain articles thus you get even more information than just news article alone. I came here as firm believer to " aliens visiting earth " by now i stopped believing that and created a new theory mroe earthlike,
i wouldnt do some if some people wouldnt oppose my wild ideas..

Current/past/future world events paranormal or not are all being recorded and researched ( as far as it goes )right here on Unexplained Mysteries! So if people believe or not everyone can learn alot in here.

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 03:36 PM

An internet search for Bigfoot information is what first led me to UM.  That was January a year ago.  I'd grown up loving paranormal things, cryptids especially.  My interest had flagged for a decade or so and was re-kindled by viewing "Findind Bigfoot" for the first time during their New Year's day marathon.  I thought the show was kinda stupid, and very slanted in its depictions, but my interest was burning bright in Bigfoot again nevertheless.

What I found after posting in the Crypto forum for a week or so is that all the things I had held to so firmly in my belief of cryptid creatures was in fact, not evidence at all.  One member in particular was instrumental in this area of growth for me.  Its was as if my beliefs in cryptids and then later on for all paranormal things for which there has yet to be conclusive, irrefutable evidence produced for just evaporated like mist in the morning sun.

I have realized a great deal of my true nature as a result of this.  I am very empirically driven, I have difficulty believing in things that are not objectively defined.  Everyone takes comfort in certain things - I take comfort in what can be proven, what is true fact that applies to us all.

Through all this, however - my interest in the paranormal has remained strong.  Its fascinating stuff, although for me now it is fascinating because of the psychology behind the  beliefs of others rather than my own believing.  I went through a phase where I'd just rail on any believer on most any topic and because of people like Simbi, Seeker79, and a few others I've dialed that back a bit for a more respectful approach.

My approach to most of these topics these days is that things like Ghosts, Cryptids, and other paranormal topics are unlikely based on the lack of any evidence that is solid and objected.  Notice that I didn't say impossible.  Impossible is an incredibly large word, much like always or never and should be used sparingly and only when there is no other alternative.  

I come here because there is a part of me that would love to be proven wrong someday.  I'd be thrilled if there were real live cryptids living in the world, or if ghosts were real.  That'd be really cool.  But I've got to be PROVEN wrong.  I won't just accept what you, or you, or you tell me you think you saw.  Not because I think any of you are liars, but because I know how fallible I am, and I'm no worse or better than anyone else.  The potential for mistakes when dealing with humans is much more likely than the existence of paranormals in my opinion.

I like that UM has a mix of people.  Some of them are irritating, but sometimes even the most irritating person has something prescient to say.  So with that I'll stop this essay.

See you in the threads!


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Posted 09 February 2013 - 03:48 PM

Unless someone has a theory that the reason cryptobiological creatures aren't found is supernatural in some way, I would say this, along with some of the other topics floating about on these boards, such as the moon deniers and the most of the extraterrestrial visitor enthusiasts, are not classifiable as believers in the paranormal.

There views may or may not be scientific, but the try to fit them in the normal world.


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Posted 09 February 2013 - 03:49 PM

View PostSimbi Laveau, on 09 February 2013 - 06:27 AM, said:

Why don't you all post in a forum for people who think people who are believers , are just all delusional .
Because we are not a hive mind that all think that 'believers' are 'just all delusional'.

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And I'm not trying to start flame wars ,but it begs the question ,are people who post in forum for things they do NOT believe in ,only posting to creat trouble ,belittle others ,or be a troll ....
In general, no.

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If you're a non believer ,what do you get out of a forum for unexplained mysteries ?
Several reasons.

1. I believe I can contribute to topics like ghost photography and Mars anamolies where there is an unholy amount misinformation being touted as scientific fact and where self-declared experts post utter nonsense and declare it as expert opinion.  I recall one member who declared himself a "photography expert" who declared that orbs were emphatically not caused by dust because dust particles 'explode' when light hits them and are thus invisible in photographs.  That kind of BS needs to be corrected because there are those who would swallow it up as the viewpoint of an expert.

2. Life would be very boring indeed if you only discussed topics with people who agreed with you.  Don't you agree?  Forums (political and religious forums are notorious for this) where dissenting opinion is not welcome are regularly full of rabid lunatics.

3. Just because I generally don't agree with the topics on these forums (hauntings, cryptids, the 'true' location of Atlantis, ET visitations, etc.) doesn't mean I'm not interested in reading and discussing these things.

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