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Posted 30 January 2013 - 11:48 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 30 January 2013 - 11:42 PM, said:

So, if guns were outlawed, and that law upheld by the Supreme Court: do you still believe the cops would not go after the then illegal guns? Right.
310 million..... what are they going to do, Q?  Door to door?  And after a couple get shot down at said doors?  If you believe it won't happen you are kidding yourself.  No, they will chip away and set legal precedent and chip away some more before they ever try an outright confiscation.  An armed insurgency would blow up on them within weeks if they tried that stuff!  Living in Greece for awhile you may have forgotten just how much of a pain in the butt Americans can be when they want something.  And it's MUCH WORSE if they think you want to take something from them against their will.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 11:52 PM

View PostWoIverine, on 30 January 2013 - 11:47 PM, said:

One thing I haven't seen many people mention is that if there's an eventual economic collapse...the government might not be able to pay the police. There's already been a lot of lost jobs in police departments around the US. In that instance, I could see the military being used to quell mass rioting, looting, and who knows what kind of chaos.
I mentioned this scenario in another thread.  This is the one instance when I think US troops would fire on US citizens and not feel they are out of line.  And, frankly, if a citizen is armed or in the middle of destroying property I think they've taken that risk onto themselves and I wouldn't blame the soldiers.  But going door to door to collect guns?  The Brits learned about the efficacy of squirrel guns in the right hands a long time ago and the US army is teachable as well.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 11:55 PM

View Postand then, on 30 January 2013 - 11:43 PM, said:

And quite a few dead soldiers as well.  We have always respected, even cherished our military where I come from but if they started shooting at us in our homes?  Buddy you can believe there are more than a few folks down here that can give as good as they get.

Around here too. That doesn't change my opinion that if they framed it the right way, they wouldn't get very much balking at the orders until they'd done it enough that the pattern was too clear for anyone to ignore.

Imagine - a briefing where Military Intelligence comes in and tells the soldiers that a small town of several thousand had been identified as the US headquarters of Al Queda and were days away from implementing an attack that would dwarf 9/11. They tell the soldiers the problem is too big for the police and we're going to head in and capture terrorist leaders and evidence that'll end the war on terror in one fell swoop. You think soldiers who know none of these people personally would actually stand up in front of their peers and say they refuse because these are Americans? And then when the military does start occupying the town and Americans being what we are, there's about 100% chance somebody would decide to start sniping from the woods and "prove" to the soldiers that their cause is just. While I can't imagine why they'd want to actually do this, I think it's a believable scenario. Now, it they were stupid about it and said they were going to go in and just massacre everybody, then they'd get mutiny.


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Posted 30 January 2013 - 11:58 PM

If chaos were to ever happen here and in the EU due to economic issues, I can really only think of a few places that wouldn't be hammered anywhere near as bad. Russia, and China have been preparing for it for a long time already.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 11:59 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 30 January 2013 - 11:12 PM, said:

If THEY want guns out of anybodies hands THEY don't need soldiers. Police will do fine, thank you. And police are more accustomed to effectively disarm civilians than any soldier will ever be able to.

Don't you guys take a reality check like twice a month before your imagination runs off with you?

View PostWoIverine, on 30 January 2013 - 11:47 PM, said:

imagine if nearly all guns were taken, and then an economic collapse happens.

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 12:05 AM

http://www.nytimes.c...wanted=all&_r=0

Again,occupy wallstreet scared the **** out of them .
If we rise up,even in peaceful ways,obomba has made it so its illegal to gather ,its illegal peacefully protest ,which are now almost felonies,and he wants any other means of defence OUT OF OUR HANDS ,if he declares martial law ,which he's been itching to do since 2009.
That's what the whole H1N1 crap was about.
He declared it a pandemic,despite the fact more people die from regular flu yearly ,than have of all h1n1 cases combined .
He could have declared martial law with the pandemic announcement ,but since some people were SMART ENOUGH TO NOT GO GET THE STUPID VACCINE ,the disease was not half as widespread as they had hoped it would be ,so he couldn't declare martial law,but he's been working his way up to it,building the FEMA camps,since he took office.

Now he's making sure we have to reload ,while the army kills us when we resist,with AK 47s .
Wake up people ...

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 12:08 AM

Speaking of flu:

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 12:11 AM

View Postquestionmark, on 30 January 2013 - 11:42 PM, said:

So, if guns were outlawed, and that law upheld by the Supreme Court: do you still believe the cops would not go after the then illegal guns? Right.

Not unless an incident was brought to the public's attention. What are they going to do...get a search warrant for everyone's homes looking for unregistered guns?

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 12:16 AM

View Postaztek, on 30 January 2013 - 11:10 PM, said:


. I'm pretty sure those that matter do get it.

But not the majority . So when the caca hits the fan,they will be so out of it,they will just be a liability to the rest of us .
The reason they need both police and the military,because of our numbers .
It's why bloomberg is so behind the get NYCs guns,because we are the wild card,and they know it.

They can't kill us all without dropping bombs,which will either kill too many,or hurt physical structures .
Bioweapons can be unreliable if they just want to target the people fighting,so they need ground support,with big enough numbers,and there are more of us than them ,but some will just be too out of it ,and get in the way .

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 12:18 AM

View PostMichelle, on 31 January 2013 - 12:11 AM, said:



Not unless an incident was brought to the public's attention. What are they going to do...get a search warrant for everyone's homes looking for unregistered guns?

Laws have never kept guns out of hands that want them .The black market will rake in so much cash with this,its not funny .

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 12:20 AM

Americans are losing freedoms and liberties each year. Gummug posted a video of the battle of Athens in another recent thread where the authorities were terribly corrupt and took te ballot boxes, allowing improper vote counting for a corrupt leadership.

Now the authorities were outnumbered but were armed like the civilians. At the very least I believe automatic weapons could be illigalised in the US. Now, the only justification I have for automatic weapons in the US is that if the government and authorities attempt to suppress the populace, they would be armed with automatic weapons. With more and more being taken away from the US populace each year, it wouldn't be totally crazy to consider some attempt at suppression of a discontent populace somete in the future.

Imagine how much easier if the populace were only allowed to be armed with single shot rifles at the very least as opposed to automatic weapons for the authorities?

The next biggest threat to te populace, minus the government. Are probably criminals on the street. They will get guns whether they are legal or illegal. That's what criminals are.

From what we see on the "news", is that what basically is happening is like what happens in primary school, one child acts out and the whole class has to stay in. One guy goes and does selfish and stupid things with his gun and everyone loses that right.

I live in Australia, I am definitely not in favour of guns here. I've visited the US once and I can definitely say that if I were to live there I'd have a gun as a means of self defence. But should people who use their guns responsibly and practise intruder invasion scenarios and the like lose their right to own a firearm simply because someone else doesn't? Should the child who just simply did their work and was kind and courteous to everyone around them be kept inside as well?


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Posted 31 January 2013 - 12:30 AM

View PostSimbi Laveau, on 31 January 2013 - 12:18 AM, said:



Laws have never kept guns out of hands that want them .The black market will rake in so much cash with this,its not funny .

On top of that, if they implemented a mental health analysis of gun owners, people who would go shoot up a school or something would have a lot harder time than getting them but if they were made illegal he/she could just walk down a back alley and pick up an ak47. Again the government is responsible for putting more cash into the pocket of a criminal. No doubt an excuse to bolster the authorities arsenal.

The law abiding citizen loses out, as usual.


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Posted 31 January 2013 - 12:38 AM

View PostOrcseeker, on 31 January 2013 - 12:20 AM, said:

Americans are losing freedoms and liberties each year. Gummug posted a video of the battle of Athens in another recent thread where the authorities were terribly corrupt and took te ballot boxes, allowing improper vote counting for a corrupt leadership.

Now the authorities were outnumbered but were armed like the civilians. At the very least I believe automatic weapons could be illigalised in the US. Now, the only justification I have for automatic weapons in the US is that if the government and authorities attempt to suppress the populace, they would be armed with automatic weapons. With more and more being taken away from the US populace each year, it wouldn't be totally crazy to consider some attempt at suppression of a discontent populace somete in the future.

Imagine how much easier if the populace were only allowed to be armed with single shot rifles at the very least as opposed to automatic weapons for the authorities?

The next biggest threat to te populace, minus the government. Are probably criminals on the street. They will get guns whether they are legal or illegal. That's what criminals are.

From what we see on the "news", is that what basically is happening is like what happens in primary school, one child acts out and the whole class has to stay in. One guy goes and does selfish and stupid things with his gun and everyone loses that right.

I live in Australia, I am definitely not in favour of guns here. I've visited the US once and I can definitely say that if I were to live there I'd have a gun as a means of self defence. But should people who use their guns responsibly and practise intruder invasion scenarios and the like lose their right to own a firearm simply because someone else doesn't? Should the child who just simply did their work and was kind and courteous to everyone around them be kept inside as well?
I like everything you said. Just curious though, you said you visited here. Where'd you go and how long were you there? Reason I'm asking is because from just a visit you seem to have made up your mind that you'd own a gun if you lived here while seeming to have no desire about having one back home. Was it something you seen? Just because I live here doesn't mean I want to own a gun. It only means I can own one if I want to.

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 01:08 AM

BTW ,my soldier pal who told me this back in 2009 ,said his comrades all said they would give them lip service to keep their jobs,but no one was all in on shooting civilians .
Occupy wallstreet and Anonymous is FULL of military ,many of whom came home from Iraq or Afghanistan ,and were **** on for their efforts overseas,by this same government . They know the deal,and no longer believe any of the garbage the govt spews while claiming to do it for our own good ,  so you might be surprised who shares some of these "outrageous" conspiracy theories.

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 02:07 AM

View PostOrcseeker, on 31 January 2013 - 12:20 AM, said:

Americans are losing freedoms and liberties each year. Gummug posted a video of the battle of Athens in another recent thread where the authorities were terribly corrupt and took te ballot boxes, allowing improper vote counting for a corrupt leadership.

Now the authorities were outnumbered but were armed like the civilians. At the very least I believe automatic weapons could be illigalised in the US. Now, the only justification I have for automatic weapons in the US is that if the government and authorities attempt to suppress the populace, they would be armed with automatic weapons. With more and more being taken away from the US populace each year, it wouldn't be totally crazy to consider some attempt at suppression of a discontent populace somete in the future.

Imagine how much easier if the populace were only allowed to be armed with single shot rifles at the very least as opposed to automatic weapons for the authorities?

The next biggest threat to te populace, minus the government. Are probably criminals on the street. They will get guns whether they are legal or illegal. That's what criminals are.

From what we see on the "news", is that what basically is happening is like what happens in primary school, one child acts out and the whole class has to stay in. One guy goes and does selfish and stupid things with his gun and everyone loses that right.

I live in Australia, I am definitely not in favour of guns here. I've visited the US once and I can definitely say that if I were to live there I'd have a gun as a means of self defence. But should people who use their guns responsibly and practise intruder invasion scenarios and the like lose their right to own a firearm simply because someone else doesn't? Should the child who just simply did their work and was kind and courteous to everyone around them be kept inside as well?

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