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Posted 08 September 2012 - 08:26 AM



This is my favorite Shiva mantra.
I have a CD of awesome mantras. I forget the name of it now,but its so pretty . I listen to it in the car .

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 08:29 AM

View PostHellcat009, on 08 September 2012 - 08:25 AM, said:



I feel like if I'm upset at someone or something enough to go out of my way to curse them, then I am completely okay with taking the responsibility for what comes back to me. I think that is generally a good rule of thumb for anyone who wants to perform black magic. If you are adult enough to accept what comes back to and you are okay with that, then do your black magic. For example, I hexed someone once and I ended up with pneumonia a week later. Was it a direct result of cursing this person? Maybe, maybe not, but because I felt like this person deserved that curse, I was okay with the repercussions of it. I feel like like in general should be like that- you want to go out and do [x, y, z] ? Okay, then can you accept the responsibility of what may happen as a result? It almost feels like a certain kind of maturity to approach life and the craft like that.

Also, I would NEVER bind an entity to me, ever. Even if it was a dead relative I'd never bind them to me. That is just asking for something bad, because it is incredibly hard to break that bind. I feel like if the entity is particularly associated with death/blood/the color red, then there is no problem, but you should never do it as a way of binding. Never never never.
Well I'm not saying to purposely bind something to you,but with blood magick,it can happen as an inadvertent result .

And I learned early on,if I did stuff I just wanted to do,without thought to consequences ,it came back at me POW .

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 08:30 AM

View PostSimbi Laveau, on 08 September 2012 - 08:26 AM, said:



This is my favorite Shiva mantra.
I have a CD of awesome mantras. I forget the name of it now,but its so pretty . I listen to it in the car .

Ah, yes, Shiva Mahamrityunjaya is a lovely mantra.

Try to realize it's all within yourself / No-one else can make you change / And to see you're really only very small / And life flows on within you and without you. / We were talking about the love that's gone so cold and the people / Who gain the world and lose their soul / They don't know they can't see are you one of them? / When you've seen beyond yourself then you may find peace of mind / Is waiting there / And the time will come / when you see we're all one and life flows on within you and without you. ~ George Harrison

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 08:31 AM

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Well I'm not saying to purposely bind something to you,but with blood magick,it can happen as an inadvertent result .

And I learned early on,if I did stuff I just wanted to do,without thought to consequences ,it came back at me POW .

I admit I'm intrigued, though I'm not Wiccan or whatever. What is blood magick, and what is binding? My curiosity is peaked.

Try to realize it's all within yourself / No-one else can make you change / And to see you're really only very small / And life flows on within you and without you. / We were talking about the love that's gone so cold and the people / Who gain the world and lose their soul / They don't know they can't see are you one of them? / When you've seen beyond yourself then you may find peace of mind / Is waiting there / And the time will come / when you see we're all one and life flows on within you and without you. ~ George Harrison

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 08:31 AM

oh and that guy (in the video) was saying some names who are they?

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 09:25 AM

View PostArbitran, on 08 September 2012 - 08:31 AM, said:

I admit I'm intrigued, though I'm not Wiccan or whatever. What is blood magick, and what is binding? My curiosity is peaked.

Most likely, Wiccans don't practice blood magic, since blood magic can sometimes be seen as harmful and Wiccan's are against harming anyone or anything, and you don't have to be Wiccan to practice the craft. Anyways, to put it simply, blood magic is any kind of spell or ritual that uses blood, preferably the blood the the caster. It's a pretty old tradition- think of the Aztec's sacfiricing people to their gods and you have blood magic. Since blood is thought of as being your life force, using it with your spells is said to make the magic really, really powerful.

Binding is when you tie someone or something to you spiritually. If you were to bind a living person to you in blood, they would always have a spiritual connection to you. If you bind a spirit to you it generally means that they can't leave you and you can't leave them until the bond is broken. Breaking the bond can be really hard, which is why I don't recommend doing it.


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Posted 08 September 2012 - 09:33 AM

View PostHellcat009, on 08 September 2012 - 09:25 AM, said:

Most likely, Wiccans don't practice blood magic, since blood magic can sometimes be seen as harmful and Wiccan's are against harming anyone or anything, and you don't have to be Wiccan to practice the craft. Anyways, to put it simply, blood magic is any kind of spell or ritual that uses blood, preferably the blood the the caster. It's a pretty old tradition- think of the Aztec's sacfiricing people to their gods and you have blood magic. Since blood is thought of as being your life force, using it with your spells is said to make the magic really, really powerful.

Binding is when you tie someone or something to you spiritually. If you were to bind a living person to you in blood, they would always have a spiritual connection to you. If you bind a spirit to you it generally means that they can't leave you and you can't leave them until the bond is broken. Breaking the bond can be really hard, which is why I don't recommend doing it.

Ah, I see. I think I understand. So binding is potentially comparable to the Shinto/Taoist concept of sealing, no?

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 09:36 AM

How does one become a shaman in the modern world?

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 10:00 AM

View PostZaraKitty, on 08 September 2012 - 09:36 AM, said:

How does one become a shaman in the modern world?

I should think it would be rather difficult, I'm sorry to say, Zara. If I remember right, shamanic practice typically involves a shaman inheriting all of the wisdom and practice of his craft directly from his predecessor or master. So... unless you know a shaman already that would be willing to teach you, I don't see it as terribly likely that it will be possible. But I suppose it's always worth a try!

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 10:04 AM

View PostZaraKitty, on 08 September 2012 - 09:36 AM, said:

How does one become a shaman in the modern world?

Most people are born shamans or they have shamans in the family. Modern day has nothing to do with becoming a shaman- most of the traditions are pretty much the same as they have been. You are born a shaman and then during a period of your life you are gravely ill and almost dying and you are reborn after you realize your calling as a shaman. That's as far as my understanding goes.


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Posted 08 September 2012 - 11:35 AM

View PostSimbi Laveau, on 08 September 2012 - 02:21 AM, said:

Such an utter crock of crap.
Even in ny,we don't do that.
You show up at the meeting place,and unless the ritual calls for cakes and ale,we don't bother.
We usually only brought food for Lakshmi and Ganesh rituals we do,which arent even wiccan.

The only reason to be in a coven ,is the added energy of many people .
We used to meet,set up ,cast a circle ,do our thing ,break it all down,go for dinner somewhere .

Did they take money from you ? As some covens do that .

My my, that was rude. Like I say everyone does it different.  I have been to many rituals in different circles and festivals. This pretty much standard fair.  Never been to NYC I don't know what y'all are doing there. Maybe you would like to explain. I won't tell you it is crap, even if I think it is.     Like I say it depends on the tradition.  You as you said aren't doing Wiccan. Money was ever taken. (How much money have you spent on crap you think you need to appease a god?) There wasn't anyone making money off it, that is for sure. Sometimes money was given to off set costs.  I was taught Correllian Wicca.  I think it is a Scottish type.

We did some powerful magic in our coven. Things happened beyond normal experience. You have to get together a lot and practice to do high magic in a coven. You all have to be on the same page, which is purpose of the ritual. Since we fasted before ritual sometimes we needed a little something at end to finish. (I collapsed during a ritual one time.)  The Cake and Ale part is also a part of the bonding.  In the end how you ritual is unimportant, it what you do to focus as a single entity. I still have bond between some of the members that can't be broken. We are more than family.   Unfortunately we had a warlock (oath breaker) in our coven and some bad stuff went down.

Now I am part of an eclectic circle, we no longer do high magic. My public rituals are not Wiccan, so they have some elements of this, but for the most part they are a sharing of artistic energy. Most of what we do is self improvement.  We do potluck after rituals, we are out in the woods. We are a nature based path after all.

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 12:15 PM

View PostHellcat009, on 08 September 2012 - 10:04 AM, said:

Most people are born shamans or they have shamans in the family. Modern day has nothing to do with becoming a shaman- most of the traditions are pretty much the same as they have been. You are born a shaman and then during a period of your life you are gravely ill and almost dying and you are reborn after you realize your calling as a shaman. That's as far as my understanding goes.

Hm, the closest I've been to death is mentally. I don't think that counts haha :) Can you tell me a little more about what they actually do?

View PostArbitran, on 08 September 2012 - 10:00 AM, said:

I should think it would be rather difficult, I'm sorry to say, Zara. If I remember right, shamanic practice typically involves a shaman inheriting all of the wisdom and practice of his craft directly from his predecessor or master. So... unless you know a shaman already that would be willing to teach you, I don't see it as terribly likely that it will be possible. But I suppose it's always worth a try!
I don't know any shamans D: There's no website for shaman meetups in my local area!
Haha I did just think of "Local shamans want you" advertisements in place of "Horny single russian girls want you." My my, that would be hilarious.

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 12:19 PM

View PostDarkwind, on 08 September 2012 - 12:36 AM, said:

For me it is the people and the Earth. The ritual prepares you mentally and helps you focus. For me deities are irrelevant.  Some people like to use them, I don't.  My greatest power is the universe and since I am the universe, I am my greatest power.

View PostSimbi Laveau, on 08 September 2012 - 02:26 AM, said:

Both .The Samhain ritual is huge,and with everyone singing and dancing in the circle,the space begins to vibrate with power .
All of our energies combined,in calling to the god and goddess .It's exhilarating .

I love the songs and chants. They have always seemed so familiar to me,as if I have known them all my life.

Thankye both, that iswhat I had felt but I never got very deep into the practice.  I find it really interesting that a group of humans together, focused on a common goal can actually change the feeling in the air.  I've experienced it a couple of times, but mostly haven't had a group of people available who were both interested and whom I felt were trustworthy (unlike the crazy people I'd dabbled with previously, who were manipulative, theives and liars, ugh!)  I'd love to have that opportunity again, I bet it is amazing with sincere and caring people.



View PostChasingtherabbit, on 08 September 2012 - 05:47 AM, said:

Indeed, while Santeria and Voodoo are forms of Christopaganism,  the orixas and spirits of those traditions are not demons. That sounds more like mainstream Christian bs to me to think those traditions have anything to do with demons.

Oh yes... my own family was a great example.  They considered buddhists, hindus, witches, etc to be evil.  They thought buddha was a false god (they clearly didn't understand anything about his teachings) and any kind of witchcraft was satanism, in their minds.  Once my grandfather showed me some book that had pretty much every symbol used by every other religion or group, with descriptions of why the symbols were evil.  As I recall, the book included the yin yang, peace sign, ohm, certain celtic knots, anything that looked like a goat or skull, etc.  At the time (I was a teenager and still rather indoctrinated) it terrified me.



View PostArbitran, on 08 September 2012 - 07:51 AM, said:

I'm still interested to know how it's possible to combine witchcraft with Christianity, given the Bible's prohibitions against such practice... would you be so kind as to explain for me?

At it's core, Christian just means follower of Christ.  I believe that a person can follow / understand his words without taking the remainder of the bible into account.  I personally feel it makes more sense that way, as to me the old testament is nothing more than a collection of stories and Jewish laws.  As far as Jesus being the son of god, I think that is no more or less than the rest of us, and that because he was speaking primarily to the Jews, he was putting it into a context they could understand.  To me, that understanding of Christ doesn't clash at all with witchcraft.

That's how I consider myself buddhist, pagan and christian all at once, though I never call myself christian as the term has waaaaaay to many assumptions tied to it that I do not adhere to.

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 12:25 PM

View PostZaraKitty, on 08 September 2012 - 12:15 PM, said:

Hm, the closest I've been to death is mentally. I don't think that counts haha :) Can you tell me a little more about what they actually do?

Shamanism varies by the regions in which it arose, are you thinking of a specific type? Usually I tend to think of Native Americans when I hear it, but there are practices all over the world that are also considered shamanism.  It's usually very tribal, of course :)

Shamans interact with the spirit world, and can guide their people based on what they learn from the spirits.   They are also supposed to be able to heal a persons illnesses by mending their soul.

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 12:31 PM

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Shamanism varies by the regions in which it arose, are you thinking of a specific type? Usually I tend to think of Native Americans when I hear it, but there are practices all over the world that are also considered shamanism.  It's usually very tribal, of course :)

Shamans interact with the spirit world, and can guide their people based on what they learn from the spirits.   They are also supposed to be able to heal a persons illnesses by mending their soul.

How do they do it different to other shamans? I do think of them too :)
How do they interact with that world? Oh I have so many questions!

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