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#1    Still Waters

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 12:59 PM

The German government has backed new legislation aimed at ending a legal dispute over the religious tradition of circumcision.

The cabinet has announced support for proposals that would explicitly allow the practice.

Earlier this year, a regional court ruled that circumcision of newborn boys amounted to assault, prompting protests from Jewish and Muslim organisations.

It also raised fears among some of a resurgence in anti-Semitism in Germany.

The new law will make circumcision explicitly legal, as long as it is carried out by trained experts, and parents are informed of any medical risks.

http://www.bbc.co.uk...europe-19894109

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 01:22 PM

What a shame. Legalised assault on children.


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Posted 10 October 2012 - 01:38 PM

The way to change this is with culture, not legislation.


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Posted 12 October 2012 - 12:47 PM

View PostNeognosis, on 10 October 2012 - 01:38 PM, said:

The way to change this is with culture, not legislation.

The problem is that there are two cultures who somehow have this idea that less than a square inch of skin has some kind of spiritual meaning.

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 01:28 PM

It is cultural and not religious for many. In the 50's, 60's and 70's it is estimated that 77 to 98% were circumcised. It was a time when most people didn't question their doctors. Often, after labor, the doctor would casually say," Of course you want him circumcised." and the parents would just nod and that was it. There was no religious connotation at all.


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Posted 12 October 2012 - 06:35 PM

I don't really get circumcision - unless for medical reasons.

I remember reading that young Egyptian priests had to circumcise themselves. No idea if this is true, I just wanted to put that image/pain out there.

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 06:36 PM

View PostGreyWeather, on 12 October 2012 - 06:35 PM, said:

I don't really get circumcision - unless for medical reasons.

I remember reading that young Egyptian priests had to circumcise themselves. No idea if this is true, I just wanted to put that image/pain out there.

It is a pretty common African ancestral ritual, so yes, it also effected ancient Egyptians.

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 08:40 PM

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The problem is that there are two cultures who somehow have this idea that less than a square inch of skin has some kind of spiritual meaning.

Who are you to say it doesn't?

A law is not going to change the way people feel and think about it, only a shift in culture will do this, and the numbers tell us that, at least here in the US, that cultural shift is happening. Make a law, and you will cause a backlash and accomplish nothing.


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Posted 12 October 2012 - 08:52 PM

The furthest I think a law like this should go is to make it illegal for anyone below the age of 13-16 to get circumcised.  Make parents wait until the person being snipped is old enough to decide for themselves before allowing a permanent operation to take place.


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Posted 12 October 2012 - 08:58 PM

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 09:21 PM

So....no more meat missles in Germany?

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 09:52 PM

I can sort of understand why Germany doesn't want to be the country that brings in legistlation that bans a Jewish tradition.
So others need to lead on this I think.


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Posted 12 October 2012 - 09:57 PM

View PostAtlantia, on 12 October 2012 - 09:52 PM, said:

I can sort of understand why Germany doesn't want to be the country that brings in legistlation that bans a Jewish tradition.
So others need to lead on this I think.
Since MILLIONS of these procedures have been performed over the centuries, some in very primitive circumstances, if there were long term health problems would they not be known?  So the question becomes  - whose right is it to suddenly deny anyone their heritage and traditions?  Why is it suddenly so important?

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 10:12 PM

You say that as if there are no possible complications during or after a circumcision, which is not the case at all.

Edited by FLOMBIE, 12 October 2012 - 10:13 PM.


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Posted 12 October 2012 - 10:33 PM

View PostFLOMBIE, on 12 October 2012 - 10:12 PM, said:

You say that as if there are no possible complications during or after a circumcision, which is not the case at all.
Actually, I said no such thing, Flombie.  I said if there were long term health problems would they not be known?  But, okay, maybe you can cite the studies showing how such procedures negatively affect the health of those who undergo them?  Vaccinations and dental procedures change a child's body for life as well..should we wait and let the child make those decisions?  I submit that the issue is cultural superiority at best and anti Semitism at worst.

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