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The Sphinx head - Is it the original?

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#16    Nefer-Ankhe

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 12:58 AM

This documentary has a large portion about the Sphinx's head and it's true identity. Maybe of interest to some.

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I believe that the theory, that the Sphinx's head, had been something different entirely (whether it have been Lion or Jackal), is rather well adjusted too.

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 03:44 AM

View Postaquatus1, on 12 May 2013 - 12:08 AM, said:

Personally, I've always been of the belief that the head was carved after the body itself was buried, possibly by carvers who were not even aware there was a body to begin with.

You know, I remember watching some special or other (so long ago I don't even remember what channel) that suggested almost the opposite. They thought the head was much older than the rest of it. As I recall, much of the rest of it is actually rebuilt/restored several times in the historical era. It went on to speculate the head was an outcropping of rock above ground, carved several millennia BCE, and possibly re-shaped, and the rest of the area was dug out later, allowing the sphinx-y bits to be carved in a different style and proportion than the head.

But since I don't remember who produced the video (seems like /maybe/ it was PBS or something actually respectable), I wouldn't put much faith in any info it conveyed.

And I think it's obvious the original head was carved in the shape of an Immense Basset Hound, magnificent in its drool and stinkinesses.

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 04:12 AM

View Postlightly, on 11 May 2013 - 11:47 PM, said:

I was just agreeing with you DieChecker .. and showing the added cement at the neck area in support of your idea of that area being weak.
  Your reasoning  seems ... reasonable.
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Posted 12 May 2013 - 04:42 AM

View PostDieChecker, on 11 May 2013 - 07:17 AM, said:

Personnally, I think it was originally intended to be something else. Maybe a jackel or a lion, or a larger pharonic head.

Looking at modern pics of the head, it can be seen that the face and head in general are in quite good shape, but the neck and chest have heavy erosion damage. I think the AE would have noticed this and sculpted accordingly, and thus a small head.
Well if it were something else prior to the Egyptian s coming along and resculpting it, that may reason the case for alot of eroding, or carving away at the upper regions.

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 06:55 AM

View Postjaylemurph, on 12 May 2013 - 03:44 AM, said:

You know, I remember watching some special or other (so long ago I don't even remember what channel) that suggested almost the opposite. They thought the head was much older than the rest of it. As I recall, much of the rest of it is actually rebuilt/restored several times in the historical era. It went on to speculate the head was an outcropping of rock above ground, carved several millennia BCE, and possibly re-shaped, and the rest of the area was dug out later, allowing the sphinx-y bits to be carved in a different style and proportion than the head.

Hee hee!  I remember a special which claimed the Sphynx enclosure was one of the original quarry sites for pyramid stone, but when they found the layer of soft limestone rendering it useless, they abandoned it and later on someone decided to take advantage of the outcropping and dug out area to make the Sphynx.

One of the fun things about theories is that one can be valid, while still not being correct, all could be valid, or none could be!  The only thing we know for sure is that the Sphynx enclosure came after the building of the pyramids.

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And I think it's obvious the original head was carved in the shape of an Immense Basset Hound, magnificent in its drool and stinkinesses.

I honestly feel that this theory hasn't received the attention it merits.

It certainly rates more validity than the lion statue theory; when your argument is that a reclining lion fits perfectly superimposed on the Sphynx's body (as long as we scale up the lion body to swallow up the entire Sphynx), you need to reconsider the foundation of your theory a little bit more.


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Posted 12 May 2013 - 10:05 AM

View PostHarsh86_Patel, on 11 May 2013 - 05:36 AM, said:

Whose legacy?

I wish I know the answer, but I dont. Neither West. But its obvious that so far we dont know origin of it.
Also it might have something with appearence of newcommers in Egypt.
It might happened that cca 50 to 1000 humans ,advanced then settlers, came in Egypt.

Egyptologists (atleast half of them) think that new people that came in Egypt introduce mace as new weapon. Mace is crucial to this story.

I think that those new people who introduce mace to Egypt might bring hieroglyphs as well.

Apperance of mace and hieroglyphs were cca around same time.

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 10:55 AM

Seen a doco that claimed it was left over quarry rock as well, and that it's only function was decorative. The quarry was flooded and the sphynx stood in the middle of the water , to tidy up the build site after completion. They found channels leading to it , and there's water mark around it and the quarry. That's why it's positioned like it is ,slightly off line .


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Posted 12 May 2013 - 11:15 AM

Well heres what I think:):) Djedefre Khufu `s son  built the Sphinx for his wife or mother,  but when Krufu died Khafra his brother had it made in his image. To me the Sphinx looks more feminine.

The frist known Sphinx made in Egypt was of Diedefe`s wife.


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Posted 12 May 2013 - 01:30 PM

View Postjaylemurph, on 12 May 2013 - 03:44 AM, said:

And I think it's obvious the original head was carved in the shape of an Immense Basset Hound, magnificent in its drool and stinkinesses.

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Now that Aquatus 1 pointed out in a quote, i should state that this is highly improbable since them bassets always lie down with their long sloppy ears and drooling. never do they sit erect. So, the sphinx could have never been a Basset hound. But, a Doberman Pinscher or a Great Dane or any other Hounds, it could have been a probability.

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 02:15 PM

View PostNefer-Ankhe, on 12 May 2013 - 12:58 AM, said:

This documentary has a large portion about the Sphinx's head and it's true identity. Maybe of interest to some.

*snip*

I believe that the theory, that the Sphinx's head, had been something different entirely (whether it have been Lion or Jackal), is rather well adjusted too.

:o why!?

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 02:19 PM

I think the Sphinx is far older than the pyramids and the head was recarved.  All the other statues the heads seem to be in proportion to the body but not the Sphinx.  The Sphinx also seems to have water damage which enforces my belief that it is older than the pyramids.

Wish they would allow someone to investigate what, if anything, is under the Sphinx.


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Posted 12 May 2013 - 02:19 PM

View PostNefer-Ankhe, on 12 May 2013 - 02:15 PM, said:

:o why!?

Maybe some one put a copyright complaint on the video, even if you had just embedded it from youtube.
You can check on youtube if the said video is still available or not. I guess, that too would have been removed.

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 03:36 PM

View PostSheep Smart, on 07 May 2013 - 03:33 AM, said:

Why is the head of the Sphinx head disproportionate with its body?

The paws are 50 feet long (15m) while the entire length is 150 feet (45m).The head is 30 (10m) feet long and 14 feet (4m) wide. It is 200 feet long and 65 feet high. The head is noticably out of proportion in context with the body.   

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what it may have once looked like:
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I believe this particular debate gets intertwined in other threads within everything Egypt so it stands to reason that I separate it.

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Say what?! Why that's just preposterous, Sheep Smart!

No way!

No way that It couldv'e have looked something like this before the days of Khufu......
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or something like this.....

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or even something like this, either....


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You should just stick with Academic opinions and their current hypothesis, while ignoring fringe proponents like West and Schoch. Let's not think outside the box and propose wild hypothesis as they have done, despite their expertise. They're just trying to sell books and make a name for themselves. Just stick with the current academic mainstream hypothesis, in which Djedefre carved the sphinx in the image of his father Khufu, until they say otherwise.

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 06:07 PM

View PostThe_Spartan, on 12 May 2013 - 01:30 PM, said:

Now that Aquatus 1 pointed out in a quote, i should state that this is highly improbable since them bassets always lie down with their long sloppy ears and drooling. never do they sit erect. So, the sphinx could have never been a Basset hound. But, a Doberman Pinscher or a Great Dane or any other Hounds, it could have been a probability.

That's actually very true. Basset hounds never sit up with they can lie down. It's part of their advanced green, energy-saving technology. Like the 19 hours of napping a day. And not all inherent laziness. (Although to be fair, Guy, my current basset, like to lie on his back with his paws up in the air. It's still lying down, though. I'm afraid his solar panels were improperly placed.)

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 07:21 PM

View Postthe L, on 12 May 2013 - 10:05 AM, said:

I think that those new people who introduce mace to Egypt might bring hieroglyphs as well.

Apperance of mace and hieroglyphs were cca around same time.
It's pretty much a certainty that hieroglyphic writing developed right there in Egypt.

Ancient examples of early proto-writing there have been found on wood and ivory inventory tags made in predynastic times to label tax payments/tribute booty.

These early forms can be seen evolving over time into the earlier hieroglyphic forms.

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