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#1    Erikl

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Posted 08 November 2004 - 04:02 PM

Well I've decided to open another "birds are dinosaurs" thread, since it's been a long time since such a thread was debated here. grin2.gif
Anyway, please feel free to write youre opinion:
Are birds dinosaurs?
Did birds evolve from dinosaurs but are not dinosaurs?

I'll write mine later.

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Posted 08 November 2004 - 04:05 PM

I do not believe birds are dinosaurs.  Yes they may have some similarities, but there needs to be more proof.


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Posted 08 November 2004 - 04:20 PM

QUOTE(wcturnersr @ Nov 8 2004, 10:05 AM)
I do not believe birds are dinosaurs.  Yes they may have some similarities, but there needs to be more proof.

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I thought there already was proof.  Birds' bone structure is directly related to how a teradactyl's was.

http://www.cnn.com/EARTH/9512/egg_laying_dinos/

Birds evolved...they survived when the dinosaurs didn't.  Aligators stuck around and they lived in the dinosaur's era.  But honestly, anyone who believes in evolution will believe birds evolved from prehistoric dinosaur birds and those who believe in creationalism will say they are not directly related.



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Posted 08 November 2004 - 05:40 PM

Yea, good point, this'll become another "Creationism vs. Evolution" debate.

But, since i don't believe in creationism, i do believe in evolution.
Personally, its the only one that makes any sense to me...

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Posted 08 November 2004 - 08:10 PM

I am a big believer in the evolution theory.
Birds, in my opinion did evolve from some species of dinosaur. I used to be a huge reader on anything about dinosaurs and i can honestly say that this theory makes sense.


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Posted 09 November 2004 - 05:10 AM

QUOTE(DJ_5150 @ Nov 8 2004, 08:10 PM)
I am a big believer in the evolution theory.
Birds, in my opinion did evolve from some species of dinosaur. I used to be a huge reader on anything about dinosaurs and i can honestly say that this theory makes sense.

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i agree...

although i only think that the smallest species of dinosaurs evolved into the birds we see today...

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Posted 10 November 2004 - 12:41 AM

i believe that if dinosaurs never existed, birds would not exist today

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Posted 10 November 2004 - 12:44 AM

Studies have shown that towards the end of the Cretacious era many types of raptors evolved feathers.
Their bone structure is almost identical to a birds, NOT the lizards that was originally thought. Their feet are like birds feet, and indeed many types of dinosaurs evolved beaks, or simply had beaks.

There is no doubt in my mind that many of todays birds originally started off 65 million years ago as dinosaurs.


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Posted 10 November 2004 - 12:06 PM

QUOTE(BurnSide @ Nov 10 2004, 12:44 AM)
Studies have shown that towards the end of the Cretacious era many types of raptors evolved feathers.
Their bone structure is almost identical to a birds, NOT the lizards that was originally thought. Their feet are like birds feet, and indeed many types of dinosaurs evolved beaks, or simply had beaks.

There is no doubt in my mind that many of todays birds originally started off 65 million years ago as dinosaurs.

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well there were a lot of giant ground birds after the dinosaurs died out...

raptors could have easily evolved into those creatures...

raptor means bird of prey afterall  original.gif

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Posted 14 November 2004 - 03:49 PM

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Studies have shown that towards the end of the Cretacious era many types of raptors evolved feathers.

so what? birds were already around by the middle jurassic, raptors became feathered far, far too late to have been the evolutionary ancestors of birds. it was the Segisaurs, i tell you.


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Posted 15 November 2004 - 12:41 AM

If birds descended from dinosaurs, why are they light?


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Posted 15 November 2004 - 12:46 AM

QUOTE(NightMoon @ Nov 15 2004, 12:41 AM)
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because they have air sacs and hollows in their bones, some dinosaurs had the same feature... i think...

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Posted 15 November 2004 - 01:06 AM

Well, only a few species of Dinosaurs had those, and it was a strong feature in the Dromeosaurid or "Raptor" family. But as it was said earlier, Raptors supposedly lived too late to be the ancestors of birds, and besides, just cause they're called "Raptors" doesn't mean anything. They could have been named cats or hawks, but it wouldn't mean that they would be any different. Names are just what poeple give, they don't mean that the names are acurate.

And on the note of creationism, yes I believe in it, but I also think that horizontal (I hope it's horizontal) evolution, because if you isolate animals in a certain environment, they do change of a few generations. But evolution makes no sense, cause what started the first spark of life? I mean, the theory (and mind you, it's still only a theory!) basically says that if you have a car that is taken apart by every peice, laying in a pile, and a tornado comes and sucks it up, eventually one of those times when it sucks up the parts, out will come a fully working car. I mean, they've proven that all humans have decended from the same original parents, which only proves what creationism is saying. But yeah that's just food for thought.  grin2.gif

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Posted 15 November 2004 - 01:07 AM

QUOTE(Noob Siabot @ Nov 14 2004, 04:06 PM)
Well, only a few species of Dinosaurs had those, and it was a strong feature in the Dromeosaurid or "Raptor" family. But as it was said earlier, Raptors supposedly lived too late to be the ancestors of birds, and besides, just cause they're called "Raptors" doesn't mean anything. They could have been named cats or hawks, but it wouldn't mean that they would be any different. Names are just what poeple give, they don't mean that the names are acurate.

And on the note of creationism, yes I believe in it, but I also think that horizontal (I hope it's horizontal) evolution, because if you isolate animals in a certain environment, they do change of a few generations. But evolution makes no sense, cause what started the first spark of life? I mean, the theory (and mind you, it's still only a theory!) basically says that if you have a car that is taken apart by every peice, laying in a pile, and a tornado comes and sucks it up, eventually one of those times when it sucks up the parts, out will come a fully working car. I mean, they've proven that all humans have decended from the same original parents, which only proves what creationism is saying. But yeah that's just food for thought.  grin2.gif

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Posted 15 November 2004 - 01:08 AM

QUOTE(Noob Siabot @ Nov 15 2004, 01:06 AM)
Well, only a few species of Dinosaurs had those, and it was a strong feature in the Dromeosaurid or "Raptor" family. But as it was said earlier, Raptors supposedly lived too late to be the ancestors of birds, and besides, just cause they're called "Raptors" doesn't mean anything. They could have been named cats or hawks, but it wouldn't mean that they would be any different. Names are just what poeple give, they don't mean that the names are acurate.

And on the note of creationism, yes I believe in it, but I also think that horizontal (I hope it's horizontal) evolution, because if you isolate animals in a certain environment, they do change of a few generations. But evolution makes no sense, cause what started the first spark of life? I mean, the theory (and mind you, it's still only a theory!) basically says that if you have a car that is taken apart by every peice, laying in a pile, and a tornado comes and sucks it up, eventually one of those times when it sucks up the parts, out will come a fully working car. I mean, they've proven that all humans have decended from the same original parents, which only proves what creationism is saying. But yeah that's just food for thought.  grin2.gif

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yeah i think i heard it about raptors, but i'm no expert on things like this, i just thought i'd add my comment  grin2.gif

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