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Muammar Gaddafi, was he really bad?


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#16    Coffey

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 06:57 PM

View Post747400, on 21 December 2012 - 06:45 PM, said:

That was the excuse he used, which ironically of course meant that he was doing exactly what Western Governments do; blame the semi-mythical Al Q for everything.

Is there one good government in the whole world?!

Beginning to wonder why we all put up with this ***?!

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 07:02 PM

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You are unaware that the terrorists we more or less installed both in Libya and also Syria are officially designated terrorists and have long been known to be offshoots and affiliates of "al-Qaeda" (original 'Afghan' Mujahideen)? I thought this was common knowledge?


Yes this I am aware. The average America not so much.

My question is if the  US government is still funding them after the Benghazi incident.


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Posted 21 December 2012 - 07:05 PM

What is ever proof?   Benghazi was/is one of the biggest hotspots for Al Qaeda in the world outside of Pakistan.  This wasn't another "intelligence failure" either, this was a deliberate campaign to oust another regime who didn't play by the West's rules to put in God-knows-who from Benghazi.  

http://www.dailymail...g-Al-Qaeda.html

And people say there is no God.   God is great indeed.  Ask any Al Qaeda from Benghazi.

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 09:07 PM

Libya is getting better though


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Posted 03 January 2013 - 10:27 PM

Reading this topic made me want to join this forum so hi...


my contribution .... looks like some shady **** happened....
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Posted 09 January 2013 - 01:34 AM

View Postmatthecool, on 03 January 2013 - 10:27 PM, said:

Reading this topic made me want to join this forum so hi...


my contribution .... looks like some shady **** happened....
http://www.tocachat....addafi-s-money-


Hi, Welcome to UM!

Hopefully someone can give more information on this, it is a mystery why that exchange happened.

Edited by Coffey, 09 January 2013 - 01:34 AM.

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 05:54 PM

View PostCoffey, on 09 January 2013 - 01:34 AM, said:

Hopefully someone can give more information on this, it is a mystery why that exchange happened.
We can't talk about that, Coffey.  That'd be like talking about Kuwait slant-drilling Iraq's oil.   Inappropriate!

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 09:38 PM

View PostYamato, on 09 January 2013 - 05:54 PM, said:

We can't talk about that, Coffey.  That'd be like talking about Kuwait slant-drilling Iraq's oil.   Inappropriate!
Was that accusation proven, Yam?  And are you saying that if it IS true, the Kuwaiti's deserved the brutality that Saddam poured onto them?  Seems more like a case for the world court or the UN to decide.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 02:31 AM

I think the US is looking to upset the entire apple cart in the Middle East, and with the blessings of NATO. Below is a video by Ron Paul and Papa Bush.





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Posted 10 January 2013 - 02:52 AM

View PostNiteMarcher, on 10 January 2013 - 02:31 AM, said:

I think the US is looking to upset the entire apple cart in the Middle East, and with the blessings of NATO. Below is a video by Ron Paul and Papa Bush.




What do you imagine the reason for that to be?  I mean, what benefit would the US derive from it?

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 03:00 AM

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Was that accusation proven, Yam?  And are you saying that if it IS true, the Kuwaiti's deserved the brutality that Saddam poured onto them?  Seems more like a case for the world court or the UN to decide.
It wasn't a baseless accusation; there was evidence, yes.   Like you care about accusations getting proven after the fact after that avalanche of BS from the Bush administration.

Did Kuwait deserve Iraq's oil?   Hussein was a thug the US enjoyed during his evil invasion and manufactured stalemate with Iran.  As if we're some kind of honest arbiter or judge of what's "deserved" over there.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 03:23 AM

View PostYamato, on 10 January 2013 - 03:00 AM, said:

It wasn't a baseless accusation; there was evidence, yes.   Like you care about accusations getting proven after the fact after that avalanche of BS from the Bush administration.

Did Kuwait deserve Iraq's oil?   Hussein was a thug the US enjoyed during his evil invasion and manufactured stalemate with Iran.  As if we're some kind of honest arbiter or judge of what's "deserved" over there.
I expect us to be the best arbiter of what we personally find to be right or wrong.  What Saddam did in Kuwait was over the line for decent human beings anywhere I hope.  As I said - theft of oil seems to be more of an issue for a world body to mete out punishment for, rather than  wholesale invasion and slaughter.  And I say the same thing if it is our country doing it.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 05:49 AM

View Postand then, on 10 January 2013 - 03:23 AM, said:

I expect us to be the best arbiter of what we personally find to be right or wrong.  What Saddam did in Kuwait was over the line for decent human beings anywhere I hope.  As I said - theft of oil seems to be more of an issue for a world body to mete out punishment for, rather than  wholesale invasion and slaughter.  And I say the same thing if it is our country doing it.
Well of course we're the arbiter of our own interests.  I think we have way too many expensive interests that don't represent our own peoples' interests.   But, something less than wholesale slaughter, yes I agree or at least I would hope.

But a rhetorical question:  What do we do when someone is stealing from us?   Ask them to stop, right?   What if they don't stop?   What then?  

Saddam even had an historical argument for Kuwait.  He was exercising his right to return.  Except this time the UN didn't agree with it, and we hung him on violating UN resolutions.   Kuwait does look like someone took a bite out of the rear end of Iraq when looking at a map, and Saddam was getting nearly all of his coastline on the Persian Gulf back.  

Kuwait is another western-friendly thorn in the side of the region.   Our oily little friend keeping the Arabian peninsula via the Persian Gulf in business.   If Iraq invaded someone not important, say Iran, our sense of right and wrong would have thought that's just swell.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 07:52 AM

View PostYamato, on 10 January 2013 - 05:49 AM, said:

Well of course we're the arbiter of our own interests.  I think we have way too many expensive interests that don't represent our own peoples' interests.   But, something less than wholesale slaughter, yes I agree or at least I would hope.

But a rhetorical question:  What do we do when someone is stealing from us?   Ask them to stop, right?   What if they don't stop?   What then?  

Saddam even had an historical argument for Kuwait.  He was exercising his right to return.  Except this time the UN didn't agree with it, and we hung him on violating UN resolutions.   Kuwait does look like someone took a bite out of the rear end of Iraq when looking at a map, and Saddam was getting nearly all of his coastline on the Persian Gulf back.  

Kuwait is another western-friendly thorn in the side of the region.   Our oily little friend keeping the Arabian peninsula via the Persian Gulf in business.   If Iraq invaded someone not important, say Iran, our sense of right and wrong would have thought that's just swell.
In this instance I'm not even talking about the politics of it all.  I'm speaking purely on the human level of what he did to Kuwaitis who had done nothing to him.  His army pillaged, raped and killed Genghis Khan style.  Had he done the same to Iranians or Qataris I'd feel the same way.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 09:20 PM

View Postand then, on 10 January 2013 - 07:52 AM, said:

In this instance I'm not even talking about the politics of it all.  I'm speaking purely on the human level of what he did to Kuwaitis who had done nothing to him.  His army pillaged, raped and killed Genghis Khan style.  Had he done the same to Iranians or Qataris I'd feel the same way.
Yeah well that's another of your rhetorical inventions.   I don't see Saddam's greater mercy towards Iran, I just see a much more powerful neighbor that stopped him cold hard in his tracks.  

Thanks for not answering any of my questions in any of the recent ME discussions including above.

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