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#136    WhyDontYouBeliEveMe

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 08:56 PM

i think that we all have a path to walk . ! !  our lifes is just like a book and yes, most part of the book is alrdy writen.... some books are shorter than others..   ( lifeline ) ,but what we write in it . thats our choice . in the end it doesnt matters.  .. all books have an end.. !  and it can be rewriten  ! reincarnation !  depends on how well you wrote your book !

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 09:59 PM

View PostSeeker79, on 15 May 2012 - 04:43 PM, said:

I can't I agree either but in a universe governed by laws free will is impossible.

If universe is indeed governed by laws we cannot break, bend nor override. Not just any laws. One question is, are those laws static and why so? It's a big if, especially when we dont know our own limits as beings nor the core of all universal laws yet, or even if we know those things we may not be able to shed light to everything from it yet.

I'd like to maintain the belief that as long as there's a law to be broken, yet so far unbroken, it just waits for it's next breaking as long as there exists anything that can at any point in time potentially become it's breaker. Because if you lose that belief, I believe you lose some sight of how to do it. If that belief becomes blind however, you lose an equal amount of sight in that matter.

I've been born again 31,8,2014 approximately 21:35 local time. A moment free of clutter in the mind, emancipating myself like an escapist, allowing myself to breathe life in a stronger, less physical level... though it does resonate to physical world. It's the oomph.

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 10:18 PM

View PostNephthys, on 26 February 2007 - 03:30 AM, said:

Evening all ...

I don't want to believe in fate, as I like to think I have some controll over whats going to happen. However, things that have happened to me in the past tell me I should believe.

It would seem fate has attempted to join me and my partner together for sometime. We met October 2004, and have been soul mates since. But we discovered some strange things that led up to us meeting. Little things. I should explain, I lived in London all my life, but moved here after meeting my current partner, around 200 miles west fo London.

We first discovered we both broke our arms in the same place, in the same year, within a week of each other, and were treated by the same doctor, who previously had, indeed been training in the hospital I was treated in a week earlier. When I was little, I sung at Wembley Conference hall. He was in the same audience, watching his brothers piano recital. We would of, envitably been on a train together later on in our lives, as he caught the same train to and from University thrice weekly, as I caught a train to and from work once a week. Other things like both being in the Eden Projects opening ceremony, and going on family holidays no less then ten minutes away from each other. We also believe he came to watch my band play at a "Battle of the Bands" in 2000.

I don't know. Maybe I'm just an old (well, at 20 I still feel incredibly old) romantic, or maybe there is more to this than what it seems.

Or maybe its all BS =o)
  Have you seen the movie "Adjustment Bureau" its a good sci-fi with Matt Damon starring,from what you have posted above it seems appropriate..

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 10:32 PM

The moving finger writes and having writ moves on,nor all your piety nor wit shall lure it back to cancel half a line ,nor all your tears wash away a word of it..Omar Khayam...
  Maybe fate does take a large part of your life, I've always been a bit fatalistic,whats going to happen will happen, there has been too many things in my life to ignore or tempt it..Like a Motorway/Freeway there are plenty of slip roads to leave it,but you always end up back on it, until your destination.Wow that sounds really dismal.(Save the last dance for me..ha ha )

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 10:40 PM

View PostFOAM, on 23 January 2007 - 07:15 PM, said:

Do you believe that life is already written?   I ran into a friend today who's religion is Hindu.  He was telling me that he knows a Chief Priest (Astrologer) like a psychic.  He told me something interesting.  That he believed that there is a book about life in general.  Life is already written and its in this book.  So your life, my life is written in this book.  What are your thoughts and views.  Do you believe that your life is already written?  

I think life is a learning realm. School is in. We make mistakes and learn to move on and remember what we did wrong. I never felt that life had a concrete script.

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 10:57 PM

View PostRobbie333, on 15 May 2012 - 10:40 PM, said:

I think life is a learning realm. School is in. We make mistakes and learn to move on and remember what we did wrong. I never felt that life had a concrete script.
  Hi Buddy you could just be right,just think that if you had left 3 minutes earlier for work all the traffic lights would have been green,but instead your 20 minutes late, and the boss is in ...k-rap,done it again..cheers

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Posted 16 May 2012 - 05:34 PM

View PostJ. K., on 15 May 2012 - 08:20 PM, said:



I do understand what you are saying, and I can agree with it to a certain extent.  However, the part that scares me is that it removes any sense of responsibility a person might have for their choices.  Making correct choices is something that I talk about with my students all the time.  If they latched onto this idea--my behavior is determined by the universe and is not under my control--I would hate to see what they would do to themselves.

Yes well I agree. Totally actually. Something else happens when a conciousness being can now predict and be aware of the future to a degree. The Past then starts to be dependent on the future. Surprising this is exactly what quantum physics tells us with the delayed choice quantum eraser.

As it turns out choice becomes more fundamental. Being more fundamental, the other laws of the universe are not governing those choices. Hence free will is not an illusion.

Going back to devils advocate

Your students are already going to make those choices. The ones that will latch onto it are already going to do it, the ones that won't won't, your efforts to affect them and the steps you take are already going to happen. An illusion is just that. An illusion. You are preordained to to think and believe the way you do and if you change that belief well that was preordained aswel. The lak of information and computing ability makes you think you are makeing choices, when in fact your are just bouncing of the Q ball.

Edited by Seeker79, 16 May 2012 - 05:43 PM.

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Posted 16 May 2012 - 05:55 PM

View PostMikko-kun, on 15 May 2012 - 09:59 PM, said:



If universe is indeed governed by laws we cannot break, bend nor override. Not just any laws. One question is, are those laws static and why so? It's a big if, especially when we dont know our own limits as beings nor the core of all universal laws yet, or even if we know those things we may not be able to shed light to everything from it yet.

I'd like to maintain the belief that as long as there's a law to be broken, yet so far unbroken, it just waits for it's next breaking as long as there exists anything that can at any point in time potentially become it's breaker. Because if you lose that belief, I believe you lose some sight of how to do it. If that belief becomes blind however, you lose an equal amount of sight in that matter.
In order to break a "law" of the universe one needs to understand the more fundamental components of that law.

And yes... We would not have airplanes, computers, or incredible medical procedures if people just accepted that something is impossible. It was once believed that a human being would die if propelled at speeds of 20mph or fall of the earth if traveling to far.  Thank god for those of us that do not accept the status quo.

"I wish neither to possess, Nor to be possessed. I no longer covet paradise, more important, I no longer fear hell. The medicine for my suffering I had within me from the very beginning, but I did not take it. My ailment came from within myself, But I did not observe it until this moment. Now I see that I will never find the light.  Unless, like the candle, I am my own fuel, Consuming myself. "
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Posted 17 May 2012 - 09:20 AM

View PostSeeker79, on 16 May 2012 - 05:55 PM, said:

[...] Thank god for those of us that do not accept the status quo.
One 50+ old man did not wanted to "accept the status quo" that Amanita phalloides are deadly poisonous, so he ate few of them. On first day he was happy - nothing happened. Well, "natural goods" in mushrooms kicked in with full force on the second day: he felt "not good", started to bleed, so he was hospitalized. Needless to say, on the fourth fifth day he died.
So, is it "Thank God"?  Or not?

Edited by bmk1245, 17 May 2012 - 09:26 AM.

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Posted 17 May 2012 - 09:43 AM

View Postbmk1245, on 17 May 2012 - 09:20 AM, said:

One 50+ old man did not wanted to "accept the status quo" that Amanita phalloides are deadly poisonous, so he ate few of them. On first day he was happy - nothing happened. Well, "natural goods" in mushrooms kicked in with full force on the second day: he felt "not good", started to bleed, so he was hospitalized. Needless to say, on the fourth fifth day he died.
So, is it "Thank God"?  Or not?

Hum. It's one thing to challenge the laws of physics in paper for example, than to challenge that something is deadly poisonous when that something has already been tested and observed that people die from it. Different in that the experiment itself is deadly.

I hope no one takes this the wrong way, but if you think of what we eat, drink, breathe and so on, the "everything in moderation" rule applies, doesn't it? Even to oxygen (not pure oxygen but the mixtures we breath): compress too much of that and inject it to us too much or in the wrong spot (inside a syringe into our blood circulation, usually fatal I hear), and it too becomes poison. Also chilis, the mega-fiery ones 200+ times more fiery than jalapeno... have a person who doesn't usually eat fiery foods eat a whole that kind of pepper and it's likely a hospital trip. I think limits exist to be broken, but you should choose sensibly which limit you try to break, and especially how. When you break it, it's no longer a limit in that but in another spot. It may move back to it's original spot if you let it "rest", or not.

I've been born again 31,8,2014 approximately 21:35 local time. A moment free of clutter in the mind, emancipating myself like an escapist, allowing myself to breathe life in a stronger, less physical level... though it does resonate to physical world. It's the oomph.

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Posted 17 May 2012 - 10:18 AM

View PostMikko-kun, on 17 May 2012 - 09:43 AM, said:

Hum. It's one thing to challenge the laws of physics in paper for example, than to challenge that something is deadly poisonous when that something has already been tested and observed that people die from it. Different in that the experiment itself is deadly.

I hope no one takes this the wrong way, but if you think of what we eat, drink, breathe and so on, the "everything in moderation" rule applies, doesn't it? Even to oxygen (not pure oxygen but the mixtures we breath): compress too much of that and inject it to us too much or in the wrong spot (inside a syringe into our blood circulation, usually fatal I hear), and it too becomes poison. Also chilis, the mega-fiery ones 200+ times more fiery than jalapeno... have a person who doesn't usually eat fiery foods eat a whole that kind of pepper and it's likely a hospital trip. I think limits exist to be broken, but you should choose sensibly which limit you try to break, and especially how. When you break it, it's no longer a limit in that but in another spot. It may move back to it's original spot if you let it "rest", or not.
Taking your "everything in moderation" rule applies in broader sense, somehow it does not work in pseudoscience/woo woo land: any bogus claim is taken at face value, be it challenging (without any support) laws of physics, or paranormal/other stuff.

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Posted 17 May 2012 - 01:55 PM

The rule of moderation is there to keep us alive. Have you ever heard of a being of not of this dimension, like ghost or demon, killing someone? A documented case, that is? On the contrary to that you have food poisonings, drownings, dehydration deaths... it's not like we experience physical deaths that come from a spiritual origin in that sense, it usually takes an indirect link like angering a spirit through ouija board communication for example. That why we may feel more free to study that spiritual origin. That's a reason that lets us stretch the rule of moderation in psychic sciences.

I believe many people, including me, allow this rule of moderation be bypassed in this area, is because of our point of view: if a phenomena cannot be explained by another science, does it mean it doesn't exist? That's not the only conclusion you can come up with, it can only mean that the other science isn't yet advanced enough to comprehend it in it's terms. We see that possibility too. This possibility opens door to bogus claims, but shutting this door would shut a lot of exploration ground, that why I keep it open. It's by exploring the unknown that we become more aware of it, even if we may not be able to put it into words, pictures, not into something that eye or ear can perceive. Then it's also us who aren't yet advanced enough in that area of science. I believe in possibilities, possibilities like those.

If you think you've found some claim be inappropriate, a bogus, then one way to ascertain your view is not to stick on that one science, but to look it from other science's point of view. If you ignore a part of any reality, anyone's reality, you won't see a so whole picture. I posted a topic to ask people what psychic or paranormal abilities they have, should have asked about experiences too but that's beside the point... the point is, I'm taking account to the possibility of bocus claims, even though I treat every claim as non-bogus as long as I see their fitting in the picture. If the whole picture is drawn based on bogus claims, then what? I wont be able to be sure, whether the bogus claims had some reality-base value mimicked from actual experiences or whether they're completely false. Then I'll just search for more solid claims if I notice that to be the case. The most solid claims I've encountered are those I've heard in real life. In face-to-face it's easier to tell when someone's hiding anything, and what kind of things, that's where I have my base, as well as in my own experiences.

If you, if you can be an outstanding scientist and work out a formula that separates bogus claims from sincere ones in paranormal research field, please do so. Many people are working on it, but it's really such a subjective world. Psychology is in this sense a border-science, since it deals with much subjective matters. It's not easy to come up with a formula, and as you have seen happen in physics and every science throughout history, those established formulas tend to be broken, bended or have alternative formulas added. I've heard of a person proving in math that 1+1=3, not verified it but if that's true, where you base a completely objective view only? Our subjective view means that we are transmitters, a sort of radiowave receivers, moving radios you could say, each having a slightly differently tuned device even if the base construction is often the same. Some of us have the bass tuned up, others keep their volume down, others often listen to certain channels... ignoring that view of subjectivity is turning a blind eye to reality.

I've been born again 31,8,2014 approximately 21:35 local time. A moment free of clutter in the mind, emancipating myself like an escapist, allowing myself to breathe life in a stronger, less physical level... though it does resonate to physical world. It's the oomph.

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Posted 17 May 2012 - 02:14 PM

View Postbmk1245, on 17 May 2012 - 10:18 AM, said:

Taking your "everything in moderation" rule applies in broader sense, somehow it does not work in pseudoscience/woo woo land: any bogus claim is taken at face value, be it challenging (without any support) laws of physics, or paranormal/other stuff.
This attitude is entirely my point. All things new are considered by fuddyduddies to be in wowoo land by the status quo huggers. Time and time again it ends up being the other way around in the end.

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Posted 17 May 2012 - 02:15 PM

View Postbmk1245, on 17 May 2012 - 09:20 AM, said:

One 50+ old man did not wanted to "accept the status quo" that Amanita phalloides are deadly poisonous, so he ate few of them. On first day he was happy - nothing happened. Well, "natural goods" in mushrooms kicked in with full force on the second day: he felt "not good", started to bleed, so he was hospitalized. Needless to say, on the fourth fifth day he died.
So, is it "Thank God"?  Or not?
Hugh?


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Posted 19 May 2012 - 06:51 PM

View PostMikko-kun, on 17 May 2012 - 01:55 PM, said:

The rule of moderation is there to keep us alive. Have you ever heard of a being of not of this dimension, like ghost or demon, killing someone? A documented case, that is? [...]
Tooth fairies, nor figments of imagination don't kill. Kills void/vacuum between the ears plus brainwash.


View PostMikko-kun, on 17 May 2012 - 01:55 PM, said:

[...]. it's not like we experience physical deaths that come from a spiritual origin in that sense, it usually takes an indirect link like angering a spirit through ouija board communication for example. That why we may feel more free to study that spiritual origin. That's a reason that lets us stretch the rule of moderation in psychic sciences.

I believe many people, including me, allow this rule of moderation be bypassed in this area, is because of our point of view: if a phenomena cannot be explained by another science, does it mean it doesn't exist? That's not the only conclusion you can come up with, it can only mean that the other science isn't yet advanced enough to comprehend it in it's terms. We see that possibility too. This possibility opens door to bogus claims, but shutting this door would shut a lot of exploration ground, that why I keep it open. It's by exploring the unknown that we become more aware of it, even if we may not be able to put it into words, pictures, not into something that eye or ear can perceive. Then it's also us who aren't yet advanced enough in that area of science. I believe in possibilities, possibilities like those.[...]
How convenient.

View PostMikko-kun, on 17 May 2012 - 01:55 PM, said:

[...]
If you think you've found some claim be inappropriate, a bogus, then one way to ascertain your view is not to stick on that one science, but to look it from other science's point of view. If you ignore a part of any reality, anyone's reality, you won't see a so whole picture. I posted a topic to ask people what psychic or paranormal abilities they have, should have asked about experiences too but that's beside the point... the point is, I'm taking account to the possibility of bocus claims, even though I treat every claim as non-bogus as long as I see their fitting in the picture. If the whole picture is drawn based on bogus claims, then what? I wont be able to be sure, whether the bogus claims had some reality-base value mimicked from actual experiences or whether they're completely false. Then I'll just search for more solid claims if I notice that to be the case. The most solid claims I've encountered are those I've heard in real life. In face-to-face it's easier to tell when someone's hiding anything, and what kind of things, that's where I have my base, as well as in my own experiences.

If you, if you can be an outstanding scientist and work out a formula that separates bogus claims from sincere ones in paranormal research field, please do so. Many people are working on it, but it's really such a subjective world. Psychology is in this sense a border-science, since it deals with much subjective matters. It's not easy to come up with a formula, and as you have seen happen in physics and every science throughout history, those established formulas tend to be broken, bended or have alternative formulas added. I've heard of a person proving in math that 1+1=3, not verified it but if that's true, where you base a completely objective view only? Our subjective view means that we are transmitters, a sort of radiowave receivers, moving radios you could say, each having a slightly differently tuned device even if the base construction is often the same. Some of us have the bass tuned up, others keep their volume down, others often listen to certain channels... ignoring that view of subjectivity is turning a blind eye to reality.
All words, none of the substance...

Kinda became a rule: believer throws huge word salad, pile of philosophical rambling.

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