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#31    the-Unexpected-Soul

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 10:56 AM

View Postspud the mackem, on 05 October 2012 - 09:24 AM, said:

If Syria starts messing with Turkey,the put themselves in a no win situation,it would be like poking a sleeping Grizzly with a stick.

lol we have a long history of doing just that, but we eventually reconcile with them, we also have a long history together being part of one nation so the people on both sides would not want to fight each other if given the chance,

the past 10 years we made a huge efforts to strengthen our relationship with them on All levels, it was an 11 points agreement
that allowed many economic benefits for them, the efforts was mostly from our side, every thing was turning just great, the borders was opened between us, and one can pass between both countries freely

what their government is doing now is that they are destroying their own position in the middle east and their relationship with the Arab world, the Turkish people don't see any reason of doing that,

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 11:17 AM

Maybe Erdog has dreams of being Calipha :nw:

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 03:20 PM

For everyone saying (hoping even?) that this is a false flag attack the Syrian government has admitted that they fired the shots. As shocking as it is to believe events do happen in the world without them being some evil American plot.

Edited by Corp, 05 October 2012 - 03:21 PM.

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 03:29 PM

Turkey openly house terrorists responsible for attacks against Syria and the Syrian people, even providing them with a base of operations. This in itself is an act of war. Is anyone surprised Syria attacked the place?

Both of these governments are so in the wrong here though it's a bit hard to take sides...

Edited by ExpandMyMind, 05 October 2012 - 03:34 PM.


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Posted 05 October 2012 - 04:14 PM

View PostExpandMyMind, on 05 October 2012 - 03:29 PM, said:

Turkey openly house terrorists responsible for attacks against Syria and the Syrian people, even providing them with a base of operations. This in itself is an act of war. Is anyone surprised Syria attacked the place?

Both of these governments are so in the wrong here though it's a bit hard to take sides...
Very true.  But Turkey is a NATO country and if the illusion of solidarity is to be preserved NATO might just have to become involved - when Turkey asks for it.  But this was just an errant idiot with a mortar is my guess.  I haven't heard if Turkey has kept up the shelling a third day....that would be bad.

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 06:15 PM

View PostExpandMyMind, on 05 October 2012 - 03:29 PM, said:

Turkey openly house terrorists responsible for attacks against Syria and the Syrian people, even providing them with a base of operations. This in itself is an act of war. Is anyone surprised Syria attacked the place?

Both of these governments are so in the wrong here though it's a bit hard to take sides...
So Lebanon is helping the rebels?


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Posted 05 October 2012 - 06:17 PM

View Postthe-Unexpected-Soul, on 05 October 2012 - 10:56 AM, said:

lol we have a long history of doing just that, but we eventually reconcile with them, we also have a long history together being part of one nation so the people on both sides would not want to fight each other if given the chance,

the past 10 years we made a huge efforts to strengthen our relationship with them on All levels, it was an 11 points agreement
that allowed many economic benefits for them, the efforts was mostly from our side, every thing was turning just great, the borders was opened between us, and one can pass between both countries freely

what their government is doing now is that they are destroying their own position in the middle east and their relationship with the Arab world, the Turkish people don't see any reason of doing that,
The people don't want war BUT however but back retaliation. Anyway why do you keep changing sides? you either stick with Assad or not


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Posted 05 October 2012 - 06:26 PM

Given that the Arab world wants Assad gone I don't think they'd mind that much if Turkey slapped him around. So long as the fighting doesn't spread of course.

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 07:01 PM

View PostThe New Richard Nixon, on 05 October 2012 - 06:17 PM, said:

Anyway why do you keep changing sides? you either stick with Assad or not

i want a democratic solution, i don't even mind if Assad stepped down, however the current opposition mad the mistake of declaring a war, and their Goal is only to kill Assad, they don't have any plan to support than that, and then they might start finishing off Alwaits or Shiaa, and i don't believe in divisions, but unity

on the other side Assad have a well established system with obvious goals, and i agree with that goals even though i know that there is lots of things that need to be fixed

Assad on one side represent secularism and that is very hard in the ME to hold , the currents that is rising now is the political sunni islam, and that is the core of the revolution in Syria and i don't like that because its not fitting with the fabric of the Syrian people
i'm saying that knowing that i'm actually a sunni

but a change force is extremely needed to make enough Pressure on the politicians to push toward reforms, so that's how i see the benefits of the opposition,

if you ask me, i will tell you that we have the right to change our president even if we saw that he is not good enough.
but the opposition believe that we only want to kill the president because he is evil Alwait (he is actually a sunni lol) and then replace him with a sunni ruler

so you tell me which side should i take ?

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 07:10 PM

No their goal is to remove Assad from Power, it was him he started the violence none of that would of happen


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Posted 05 October 2012 - 07:51 PM

View PostThe New Richard Nixon, on 05 October 2012 - 07:10 PM, said:

No their goal is to remove Assad from Power

they have all the rights to do so,

i will tell you things that you might not know about, at the very first week or two Assad was confronted with many politicians among them ones who deflected later
with the fact that the people are asking for their rights and they should be given them, and he agreed on making all the wanted reforms,
next few weeks all he was doing is that he visited as much cites of Syria as possible and met with the people and asked what their demands are
the demands was Classified under 1000 points, next he promised many political reforms which he completely implement

all that didn't sit well with various countries among them western countries and gulf countries, the US see him as an enemy because he is in an alliance with all the countries that US see them as enemies, the gulf countries also hate him because his alliance with Iran, those countries instead of being a mutual side, they got involved with all possible means possible to demonize Assad, which triggered a sense of imperial invasion on us, which caused a huge amounts of Syrians to retaliate against that, because we are not used of being under influence of those countries, Assad have a policy of self sustained economy and alliance with demonized countries like Venezuela which guaranty us to not be under the west influence unlike Saudi Arabia and Canada for example  
and this is what makes him important, to many people of Syria, so things are little bit more complected than you think,

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 09:06 PM

View Postthe-Unexpected-Soul, on 05 October 2012 - 07:51 PM, said:

they have all the rights to do so,

i will tell you things that you might not know about, at the very first week or two Assad was confronted with many politicians among them ones who deflected later
with the fact that the people are asking for their rights and they should be given them, and he agreed on making all the wanted reforms,
next few weeks all he was doing is that he visited as much cites of Syria as possible and met with the people and asked what their demands are
the demands was Classified under 1000 points, next he promised many political reforms which he completely implement

all that didn't sit well with various countries among them western countries and gulf countries, the US see him as an enemy because he is in an alliance with all the countries that US see them as enemies, the gulf countries also hate him because his alliance with Iran, those countries instead of being a mutual side, they got involved with all possible means possible to demonize Assad, which triggered a sense of imperial invasion on us, which caused a huge amounts of Syrians to retaliate against that, because we are not used of being under influence of those countries, Assad have a policy of self sustained economy and alliance with demonized countries like Venezuela which guaranty us to not be under the west influence unlike Saudi Arabia and Canada for example  
and this is what makes him important, to many people of Syria, so things are little bit more complected than you think,
There is nothing "complicated" about killing children, women and old people, just brutally evil.

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 09:21 PM

View Postand then, on 05 October 2012 - 09:06 PM, said:

There is nothing "complicated" about killing children, women and old people, just brutally evil.

you made a post to say that killing is bad, isn't that like the most basic thing that every body should know since childhood ?

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 09:49 PM

View Postthe-Unexpected-Soul, on 05 October 2012 - 09:21 PM, said:

you made a post to say that killing is bad, isn't that like the most basic thing that every body should know since childhood ?
The idea there is that your explanation of the situation in Syria is flawed,imo, because it IS very simple and basic - your government is slaughtering it's own people.  And eventually your government is going to be defeated by the people (along with outsiders) and your country is probably not going to know real peace for years.  And it all started because of the ego of your leader.

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 09:54 PM

View Postthe-Unexpected-Soul, on 05 October 2012 - 09:21 PM, said:

you made a post to say that killing is bad, isn't that like the most basic thing that every body should know since childhood ?
   Yes, so why is your President killing people,instead of meeting the opposing side and talking out a solution.Its a no win situation for both sides at the moment, and I feel sorry for the ordinary people,who must be really scared about surviving.

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