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#241    regeneratia

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Posted 04 August 2013 - 04:44 AM

I have to say that one of the most peace-seeking things I have done in a long time is not to engage in this news issue. I didn't read one news article on it. I didn't care who won. The media is so skewed on this issue that I wonder why anyone is reading it. But I sure do think Holder is an hind quarter ... whole.

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Posted 04 August 2013 - 04:46 AM

View Postregeneratia, on 04 August 2013 - 04:44 AM, said:

I have to say that one of the most peace-seeking things I have done in a long time is not to engage in this news issue. I didn't read one news article on it. I didn't care who won. The media is so skewed on this issue that I wonder why anyone is reading it. But I sure do think Holder is an hind quarter ... whole.
I'm going to take your example and ignore the issue from here on out also. Good advice to EVERYONE!!!

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Posted 04 August 2013 - 12:31 PM

View Poststevemagegod, on 03 August 2013 - 03:07 PM, said:

Its the American Criminal Justice System to very different sciences.

Back in March 2003, Judge Edith Jones of the USCA 5th Circuit, at an address to the Federalist Society at Harvard Law School, observed that "the american legal system is corrupted beyond recognition", though she was not talking about outrageous jury verdicts as much as she was the general rule of law in general as it manifests in the US Criminal Justice system.

John DeArmond observed long before that "you know your country is dying when you have to make a distinction between what is moral and ethical, and what is legal."  That bit is more relevant to this case.

One man follows another, against advice given him by the police.  The other man is shot by the one disregarding legal advice, and today men are defending that perverse situation as the rule of law.

Yes, we have the government we deserve, in spades.


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Posted 04 August 2013 - 01:02 PM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 04 August 2013 - 12:31 PM, said:

Back in March 2003, Judge Edith Jones of the USCA 5th Circuit, at an address to the Federalist Society at Harvard Law School, observed that "the american legal system is corrupted beyond recognition", though she was not talking about outrageous jury verdicts as much as she was the general rule of law in general as it manifests in the US Criminal Justice system.

John DeArmond observed long before that "you know your country is dying when you have to make a distinction between what is moral and ethical, and what is legal."  That bit is more relevant to this case.

One man follows another, against advice given him by the police.  The other man is shot by the one disregarding legal advice, and today men are defending that perverse situation as the rule of law.

Yes, we have the government we deserve, in spades.
Wow did you see that?  No what?  The point!  Huh?
That's right...you missed the point...The POINT is that regardless of what happened before with or without the 911 call...Treyvon Martin attacked Zimmerman.  Once you instigate violence, it takes its own path.  Treyvon instigated violence against Zimmerman.  Zimmerman ended the attack.  Who then is responsible for the death of TM?  Treyvon or Zimmerman?  Would Zimmerman have shot TM at point blank range had he not been attacked?  No.

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Posted 04 August 2013 - 03:03 PM

How many times in a movie, have we seen two people wrestling over a gun when oe or the other gets shot.  Trayvon wanted to kill zimmerman.  Zimmermas wanted to tell the police where trayvon was going.  Trayvon ast his door turns around to confront zimmerman.  Trayvon was a drug user, they don't like to be followed.  Because efither the guy is the police pr he i in contact with them, or he wants the drugs.

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Posted 05 August 2013 - 12:26 PM

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Posted 05 August 2013 - 03:58 PM

John DeArmond observed long before that "you know your country is dying when you have to make a distinction between what is moral and ethical, and what is legal." That bit is more relevant to this case.



Bab ruth: This is the most important part of any of your posts to  date.  This is why it took spas long as it did for the jury to return their virdect.

You want zimmerman in jail, beause it is the moral thing to do.  But, the jury did their job correctly and said not guilty.  They wanted to put him in jail, the moral thing to do, but they said not guilty because by the law there was no evidence that zimmerman did not intend to kill martinunil after martin tried to kill him.

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Posted 05 August 2013 - 07:04 PM

Rationalization always eases the mind Daniel, at least on the surface. :whistle:


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Posted 06 August 2013 - 12:47 AM

View Postjoc, on 04 August 2013 - 01:02 PM, said:

Wow did you see that?  No what?  The point!  Huh?
That's right...you missed the point...The POINT is that regardless of what happened before with or without the 911 call...Treyvon Martin attacked Zimmerman.  Once you instigate violence, it takes its own path. Treyvon instigated violence against Zimmerman.  Zimmerman ended the attack.  Who then is responsible for the death of TM?  Treyvon or Zimmerman?  Would Zimmerman have shot TM at point blank range had he not been attacked?  No.

  Do we know for sure what happened and why?   Do we know what was said between the two of them? Do we know If Z got nervous and put his hand on  his gun? Do we know how T might react to that? No.. we don't.   So we still don't know who  INSTIGATED  violence?

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Posted 06 August 2013 - 12:58 AM

We do know that martin was the one using racial slurs not zimmerman.  We lso know he doubled back to confront zimmerman.  The lay he was on the phone with said that much.

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Posted 06 August 2013 - 03:23 AM

View Postlightly, on 06 August 2013 - 12:47 AM, said:

  Do we know for sure what happened and why?   Do we know what was said between the two of them? Do we know If Z got nervous and put his hand on  his gun? Do we know how T might react to that? No.. we don't.   So we still don't know who  INSTIGATED  violence?
Yeah, we do know that T instigated the violence.

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Posted 06 August 2013 - 05:29 PM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 04 August 2013 - 12:31 PM, said:

Back in March 2003, Judge Edith Jones of the USCA 5th Circuit, at an address to the Federalist Society at Harvard Law School, observed that "the american legal system is corrupted beyond recognition", though she was not talking about outrageous jury verdicts as much as she was the general rule of law in general as it manifests in the US Criminal Justice system.

John DeArmond observed long before that "you know your country is dying when you have to make a distinction between what is moral and ethical, and what is legal."  That bit is more relevant to this case.

One man follows another, against advice given him by the police.  The other man is shot by the one disregarding legal advice, and today men are defending that perverse situation as the rule of law.

Yes, we have the government we deserve, in spades.

You what I find ironic about this case? People are protesting against the SYG law, asking the governor to call a special sesson to repeal it. Let's assume that Zimmerman wasn't armed. So the police arrive to find Martin standing over Zimmerman after just having assualted the man. You know what defense Martin would have used to justify his actions? SYG.

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Posted 06 August 2013 - 08:03 PM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 04 August 2013 - 12:31 PM, said:

One man follows another, against advice given him by the police. The other man is shot by the one disregarding legal advice, and today men are defending that perverse situation as the rule of law.


Such legal ADVICE was not binding.  It was not a lawful order.  Zimmerman, being the neighborhood watch had a moral and binding duty to be aware of those that didn’t belong in the neighborhood, casing that neighborhood.  There was a rash of burglaries.  BTW, have the burglaries stopped?  What better place to break in than in a neighborhood where your father lives in which you don’t live with?  You can always say “I’m going to my dad’s house…”  If I was going to my dad’s place and it is raining, I’d get to his house as fast as possible and not roam around.  There was no legal advice given to not shoot, defending your life.  This is a natural law. There is no need to defend it.  What would have helped would be for Zimmerman to have worn a windbreaker/hat with “Neighborhood Watch” on it and a magnet for the car door.  And from a distance, Zimmerman could have brandished his firearm and kept in holstered.  Then maybe, if Martin saw that, he would have headed directly to his dad’s.  Zimmerman had every moral, ethical, and legal right to do what he did.

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Posted 12 August 2013 - 01:45 AM

View PostDieChecker, on 04 August 2013 - 04:46 AM, said:

I'm going to take your example and ignore the issue from here on out also. Good advice to EVERYONE!!!

I think the entire new issue is to keep The People occupied with subjects that simply do not really matter. This issue is just one of many that we see nowdays,

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Posted 12 August 2013 - 01:53 AM

Part of this was to give the race leaders more power, black and white leaders.  I mean they were able to force the state of florida to take it to court, knowing they didn't have a case.

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