I think we're talking about two different things here, Drayno. I'm talking about the her continuous effort of her political arguments about the TAKERS as she calls them, that she trying to subtly insert into other politcal arguments, in this case...U.S. firearms and regulations, which has nothing, if very little, to do with what she calls "Takers"
BTW, I'm against gun control. Don't see that it would do any good.
My apologies for misinterpreting your post. It can often happen on the internet.
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." Aristotle
Posted 14 December 2012 - 11:30 PM
What's your real feelings Q-mark? Aren't you ex-Military or involved with the military? Would you rather see a nation incapable of defending themselves against foreign invaders or intelligent people with firearms?
I think...and man this is going to tick off some of the right...that in order to own a firearm, you must be trained and certified in it's use. You have to get a license to drive a car...another dangerous implement...why not a firearm.
I was raised on a farm...I had my own gun at age 12...a .410 shotgun for squirrel and rabbit hunting. BUT! Our local 4-H group along with the Dept of Natural resources (The game wardens) offered summer classes on shooting and gun safety. I was not allowed to use my gun or go hunting until I took the classes...and this was coming up in a family of hunters and shooters where I had been around them my entire life. I have since taken many shooting classes for different types of firearms. Not because I didn't know how they worked or how to use them but to be a little better with them...and a little smarter.
It starts with education. Teaching people what they (the firearms) do...how to use them and...most important...that once you point and pull the trigger, it is done....you cannot "undo" that...you cannot hit the restart button and go back one level of the game...it is done and it is final.
I can understand the cry for the regulation of certain firearms and I can completely understand the push back. The point of a "well armed" militia is to be able to stand ground...if the "enemy" is overwhelmingly equipped...you don't have a chance. So...many have wanted to keep the door open for assault/military style weaponry. I am somewhat against this...in a way. I see how they are mis-used but I understand the rationality of why they cannot be taken off the table for citizen ownership. You don't want to bring a knife to a gun fight.
But...as a hunter and a tracker for years (including bow hunting and camouflage)...I would not want me in the woods with a Winchester Model 70 30-06 or Weatherby mark 7 7mm magnum and a 3x9 scope putting the crosshairs one me...especially within 500 yards.
The point there was...the most dangerous of us are not the one that can spray the most lead...the most dangerous of all is the "sniper".
Edited by Jeremiah65, 14 December 2012 - 11:33 PM.
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Posted 14 December 2012 - 11:43 PM
Dredimus, on 14 December 2012 - 07:21 PM, said:
Ive come to the conclusion that you cant stop a criminal from getting their hands on a weapon if they want one. By setting up tighter regulations it will only make it harder for those that are resposible citizens to obtain firearms for legal purposes.
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I need to go fishing....Really, Really, REALLY BADLY.
Posted 15 December 2012 - 01:10 AM
I have been using guns sinse i was 13, now in my 50s I am a hunter, I am a target shooter, I am ex-military, If i can see it i can ht a quarter with my hunting rifle at 100 feet ( at least i could a couple of years ago when i last fired it)and I am appalled at what happened in conn. I can't even describe how i feel about what happened.
, I would not think of doing something like this. Nor would 99.99% of the legal gun owners in this country.
but I would without hesitation go out in a blaze of gunfire if someone tried to take my guns away from me by force and i saw them coming.
we need to stop arguing gun control and who is or is not classsified as militia and find another answer. and no i don't know what it would be. teaching gun safety is great, in My opinion everyone should be forced to take those classes before they get out of middle school, but it isn't the answer. if the laws we already have don't work making new laws will not matter to people who plan to break them anyways and you cannot punish someone who knows he or she is doing is wrong and kills themselves to avoid punishment. There Has To Be another answer.
An outright ban on guns except in some very small circumstances is the way to go. Make it highly illegal, offer buybacks, offer not to ID guns handed in, etc etc. If we can invade 2 countries, tear them down and build them up again with a few trillion dollars, irradicating guns from society is a matter of willpower.
The other alternative is arming children. And I'm sure the founding fathers weren't expecting how powerful and cheap firearms would get.