PlatypusFury Posted May 15, 2013 #1 Share Posted May 15, 2013 I've been pondering a theory and I would like other's opinions. Obviously it would take a very long time for Dinosaurs to achieve any where near the intelligence of humans, but what would this planet be like if Dinosaurs were allowed to evolve to the point where they could invent, communicate and thrive as well as humans do. Basically think of dinosaurs as our Australopithecus. This is my first post and am sorry if this has been touched on before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHaYap Posted May 15, 2013 #2 Share Posted May 15, 2013 Dinosaurs' Living Descendants China's spectacular feathered fossils have finally answered the century-old question about the ancestors of today's birds Read more: http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/Dinosaurs-Living-Descendants.html#ixzz2TLWbI3xb Follow us: @SmithsonianMag on Twitter 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlatypusFury Posted May 15, 2013 Author #3 Share Posted May 15, 2013 Allow me to include a theory, obviously there would be only one species of dinosaur (for the sake of things let's say it will be the t-rex) to dominate and rule over all other things. Or would that even be the case? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHaYap Posted May 15, 2013 #4 Share Posted May 15, 2013 Allow me to include a theory, obviously there would be only one species of dinosaur (for the sake of things let's say it will be the t-rex) to dominate and rule over all other things. Or would that even be the case? As long as the belly is full ... they would not go to all the trouble to rule over other things // Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harsh86_Patel Posted May 15, 2013 #5 Share Posted May 15, 2013 Evolution as we currently know, does not explain anything. It is imaginary and speculative in nature. Dinosaurs and Men may have lived side by side, we do not know for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHaYap Posted May 15, 2013 #6 Share Posted May 15, 2013 Evolution as we currently know, does not explain anything. It is imaginary and speculative in nature. Dinosaurs and Men may have lived side by side, we do not know for sure. Yes we do ... and they didn't It is only you that don't want to know for sure Harsh ... true and harsh ... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harsh86_Patel Posted May 15, 2013 #7 Share Posted May 15, 2013 Yes we do ... and they didn't It is only you that don't want to know for sure Harsh ... true and harsh ... How old do you think is Homo Sapien? Could homo sapiens have been around for say 65 million years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHaYap Posted May 15, 2013 #8 Share Posted May 15, 2013 How old do you think is Homo Sapien? Could homo sapiens have been around for say 65 million years? HArsh ... you are better than me in searching this links and material // Its not that it isn't there and you know it, if you don't believe in it say it ... don't make it like nobody knows ... that's totally beneath a 'researcher' of your talents. What you are doing is nothing short of misinformation, in terms of 'teachers' and learners ... that is worst than murdering your own intelligence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harsh86_Patel Posted May 15, 2013 #9 Share Posted May 15, 2013 HArsh ... you are better than me in searching this links and material // Its not that it isn't there and you know it, if you don't believe in it say it ... don't make it like nobody knows ... that's totally beneath a 'researcher' of your talents. What you are doing is nothing short of misinformation, in terms of 'teachers' and learners ... that is worst than murdering your own intelligence I believe that HSS were present on this Earth way before then the mainstream currently acknowledges. Also i believe that civilization is cyclical and there has been civilizations in the past of which we have very little memory of currently. I do not state things without some basis for eg: Coelacanth Coelacanth are an ancient order of fish believed to have gone extinct at the end of the Cretaceous period some 65-plus million years ago. That was until 1938, when one was miraculously discovered off the east coast of South Africa near the mouth of the Chalumna River. Closely related to lungfishes and tetrapods, coelacanths are among the oldest living jawed fishes known to exist. They can live as long as 100 years and swim at depths of 90 to 100 meters. http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/animals/photos/lazarus-species-13-extinct-animals-found-alive/coelacanth Dinosaurs atleast some of them could have survived till quite recently: http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/dinosaur.html Also HSS could have been way older then currently held by the mainstream evolutionist time lines: http://www.forbiddenarcheology.com/ Try reading this link and see where it leads you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted May 15, 2013 #10 Share Posted May 15, 2013 Cremo again.... Third_eye, maybe you want to read this post (number.32) too: http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=247212&st=30&p=4758785entry4758785 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amalthe Posted May 15, 2013 #11 Share Posted May 15, 2013 Problem is that in evolutionary terms, nature tends to adapt with short term changes, such as strenght or size, that are attributes that are more used to adapt to environment. Intelligence is more of long term evolutionary investment. So in essence, reptiles had enough time do hone their evolutionary characteristic to supreme level. Therefore TRex was really pinnacle of land predator evolution, only thing left to be would be to improve size and strenght. Take for instance his "hands" which went being smaller and smaller because they havent been used. In reality, obtaining intelligence through evolution is very difficult to explain, and that's why you don't have intelligent insects, birds or reptiles. So personally i am in favor of intelligent design. Take notice that most succesful creatures in terms of evolution when develop final form, tend to remain like that for millions of years, like ants for instance. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHaYap Posted May 15, 2013 #12 Share Posted May 15, 2013 Cremo again.... Third_eye, maybe you want to read this post (number.32) too: http://www.unexplain...5 Yeah Abe ... I suspected his intentions even before he went all link crazy ... I still attest to his talents though I detest his intentions ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted May 15, 2013 #13 Share Posted May 15, 2013 Take for instance his "hands" which went being smaller and smaller because they havent been used. In reality, obtaining intelligence through evolution is very difficult to explain, and that's why you don't have intelligent insects, birds or reptiles. Dolphins have no 'hands' and still are remarkably intelligent. Just like crows and ravens and parrots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHaYap Posted May 15, 2013 #14 Share Posted May 15, 2013 I think there should be a definition of intelligence here .... human like intelligence and the rest .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myles Posted May 15, 2013 #15 Share Posted May 15, 2013 Dolphins have no 'hands' and still are remarkably intelligent. Just like crows and ravens and parrots. They are intelligent compared to other animals. Still far away from human intelligence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
questionmark Posted May 15, 2013 #16 Share Posted May 15, 2013 They are intelligent compared to other animals. Still far away from human intelligence. some humans is the right definition: some humans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted May 15, 2013 #17 Share Posted May 15, 2013 (edited) They are intelligent compared to other animals. Still far away from human intelligence. But Amalthe talked about intelligence, not human intelligence. And what's "far away" : there are biologists who consider corvids (especially ravens and also crows) to be inbetween humans and apes concerning intelligence. . Edited May 15, 2013 by Abramelin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
questionmark Posted May 15, 2013 #18 Share Posted May 15, 2013 The point is that we don't know how "evolute" the dinos were. There are many species and mot we know about them is what they looked like. As far as humans would not exist... that is highly speculative. Mammals existed even in the dino time...in fact, when the dinos gave up the spoon it was mammals that took their place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oniomancer Posted May 15, 2013 #19 Share Posted May 15, 2013 Evolution as we currently know, does not explain anything. It is imaginary and speculative in nature. Dinosaurs and Men may have lived side by side, we do not know for sure. Lots and lots of nice dinosaur fossils of all kinds. Not a single verifiable pre-Pliocene Homo Sapiens fossil. Not even a single pre-Cenozoic mammal larger than a small dog. 'Nuff said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oniomancer Posted May 15, 2013 #20 Share Posted May 15, 2013 There's a nice book on the subject called "The New Dinosaurs: An Alternative Evolution" by Doughal Dixon, author of "After Man: A Zoology of The Future." http://www.amazon.com/The-New-Dinosaurs-Alternative-Evolution/dp/0449904423 It barely even touches on intelligence. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tutankhaten-pasheri Posted May 15, 2013 #21 Share Posted May 15, 2013 Yeah Abe ... I suspected his intentions even before he went all link crazy ... I still attest to his talents though I detest his intentions ... This now explains a lot. Until this thread I knew nothing about cremo. Pity I did not know this two weeks ago as it would have saved me a lot of work in a certain other thread......... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny blue eyes Posted May 15, 2013 #22 Share Posted May 15, 2013 Dolphins have no 'hands' and still are remarkably intelligent. Just like crows and ravens and parrots. Dolphins do have 5 digit bone structures under both left and right flippers and are believed to have once been a land animal which evolved into a sea creature. Weird! Anyway, how accurate are our dating techniques? Im not convinced they are reliable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted May 15, 2013 #23 Share Posted May 15, 2013 Dolphins do have 5 digit bone structures under both left and right flippers and are believed to have once been a land animal which evolved into a sea creature. Weird! Anyway, how accurate are our dating techniques? Im not convinced they are reliable. OK, now ask them to pick up the phone or play cards with those 'hands',lol. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHaYap Posted May 15, 2013 #24 Share Posted May 15, 2013 This now explains a lot. Until this thread I knew nothing about cremo. Pity I did not know this two weeks ago as it would have saved me a lot of work in a certain other thread......... I for one thought you knew ... I apologise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flbrnt Posted May 15, 2013 #25 Share Posted May 15, 2013 I have an evolved dinosaur living in my living room. His name is Sonny and he is a cockatiel. He has not written an epic poem or philosophized about the nature of the universe (to my knowledge, anyway) but he is more intelligent than most mammals his size. I can see his kind evolving into a language intensive technological species some day. Also, anytime you are developing an overblown image of human intelligence try reading the comments section on Yahoo News. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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