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#76    rambaldi

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 03:39 PM

View PostCoffey, on 06 February 2013 - 04:30 PM, said:

Well the point still stands. I don't laugh or mock those who believe something different.

I do, if their beliefs go against facts and reality,

And Moonhoaxers have reached a point where they are equal to someone who claims the capital of England is Paris...


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Posted 07 February 2013 - 05:35 PM

View PostCoffey, on 07 February 2013 - 01:06 PM, said:

Seriously imagine yourself when the world was flat, you had the understanding of the world being flat and some crazy nut job is telling you it's round. Because back then they didn't have the scientific understanding that they do now. Now imagine what could be discovered in the next few millenniums. What if we can't comprehend possibilities now until it's proven like we did back then. Everything you are debating with me about would change. Which means everything you said was actually not fact. YET you know what facts would remain? The ones I'm explaining in this thread. Because it wouldn't matter that all our science had changed and all our theories had changed and all the facts had changed. My facts would still be there proving that in science facts can change and people cna certainly lie and people who can't think for themselves will carry on following the people who lie and enslave them.
There is a body of scientific knowledge that has been so well tested over the years that it cannot be reasonably challenged.  For instance, Einstein showed that Newtonian mechanics breaks down in extreme conditions, but Newton is still good enough for pretty all everyday purposes, including current spaceflight.  The flat earth theory is still good enough for finding your way around your local area, if you don't think too much about things like horizons or how the sun fits in.  To put it another way, a new theory must work where the old theory breaks down, but it still has to agree with the old one over a wide range of circumstances.  There will never be a scientific revolution that makes the moon a high-gravity world, because the moon's gravity is one of those too-well-established-to-challenge facts.

Edited by flyingswan, 07 February 2013 - 05:36 PM.

"Man prefers to believe what he prefers to be true" - Francis Bacon (1561-1626)
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Posted 07 February 2013 - 05:52 PM

View Postflyingswan, on 07 February 2013 - 05:35 PM, said:

There is a body of scientific knowledge that has been so well tested over the years that it cannot be reasonably challenged.  For instance, Einstein showed that Newtonian mechanics breaks down in extreme conditions, but Newton is still good enough for pretty all everyday purposes, including current spaceflight.  The flat earth theory is still good enough for finding your way around your local area, if you don't think too much about things like horizons or how the sun fits in.  To put it another way, a new theory must work where the old theory breaks down, but it still has to agree with the old one over a wide range of circumstances.  There will never be a scientific revolution that makes the moon a high-gravity world, because the moon's gravity is one of those too-well-established-to-challenge facts.

Yeah cause we fall off the edge of the earth.... Oh wait we don't. See the old theory does not stick or work with the new theory.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 05:54 PM

View Postrambaldi, on 07 February 2013 - 03:39 PM, said:

I do, if their beliefs go against facts and reality,

And Moonhoaxers have reached a point where they are equal to someone who claims the capital of England is Paris...


Well by that simple comment you would have been one of the people laughing at the people who said the world was round and not flat. lol

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 06:12 PM

View PostRafterman, on 07 February 2013 - 03:10 PM, said:

But look at the great job they did in keeping all of the drone strikes secret......

Are they a secret now?

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 03:07 PM

Key word in topic,"stupid" :tu:

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 01:55 PM

View PostCoffey, on 06 February 2013 - 08:53 PM, said:

In the moon landing there is nothing based on science though.
You being ignorant of the science won't make it go away.

View PostCoffey, on 06 February 2013 - 08:53 PM, said:

lol It's based on believing certain people not science. :tu:
This might be projection.

The Apollo Nutters here do know the evidence for Apollo. Hoax believers invariably are utterly ignorant of it. They uncritically believe the Hoax promoters.


View PostCoffey, on 06 February 2013 - 09:54 PM, said:

So what would you think if the government announced on live TV tomorrow that the whole thing was a lie and a cover up?
They'd be lying for some nefarious reason.


View PostCoffey, on 07 February 2013 - 01:06 PM, said:

Seriously imagine yourself when the world was flat,
The world never was flat.

View PostCoffey, on 07 February 2013 - 01:06 PM, said:

you had the understanding of the world being flat
That would be a believe, not a fact.
(Of course, locally the surface of the Earth is pretty flat.)

View PostCoffey, on 07 February 2013 - 01:06 PM, said:

and some crazy nut job is telling you it's round.
What's his evidence?

View PostCoffey, on 07 February 2013 - 01:06 PM, said:

Now imagine what could be discovered in the next few millenniums. What if we can't comprehend possibilities now until it's proven like we did back then. Everything you are debating with me about would change. Which means everything you said was actually not fact. YET you know what facts would remain?
Facts don't change, their interpretation does.

When I measured myself this morning, 2013-02-09 8:00 CET, my length was 179.6 cm.
This is an observed fact, and it is never going to change.
It will always be a fact that I measured that length at that time and place.

I interpret it as "Pretty average for a Dutch guy of my generation."

A 100 years from now, when the average Dutch guy will be a nine-footer it might be interpreted as "My, those dudes were small."

The FACT will not have changed.
As won't the fact that flat-earth-guy observed the Earth locally to be flat.

Edited by Halcyon Dayz, 09 February 2013 - 01:57 PM.

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 03:31 PM

View PostCoffey, on 07 February 2013 - 05:52 PM, said:

Yeah cause we fall off the edge of the earth.... Oh wait we don't. See the old theory does not stick or work with the new theory.
What don't you understand about "finding you way around your local area"?  Do you need to know the curvature of the earth to find your way to the nearest shop?  You don't give it a thought, any more than an engineer needs to consider relativity when designing a car.  The Earth's curvature becomes an issue when navigating across an ocean, relativity is important in designing a particle accelerator, but both the flat earth theory and Newtonian mechanics continue to work in the circumstances for which they were originally developed.

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 05:49 PM

View Postflyingswan, on 09 February 2013 - 03:31 PM, said:

What don't you understand about "finding you way around your local area"?  Do you need to know the curvature of the earth to find your way to the nearest shop?  You don't give it a thought, any more than an engineer needs to consider relativity when designing a car.  The Earth's curvature becomes an issue when navigating across an ocean, relativity is important in designing a particle accelerator, but both the flat earth theory and Newtonian mechanics continue to work in the circumstances for which they were originally developed.


The theory is stil not used. What you are sayign does not make any difference to that fact.

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 10:56 AM

View PostCoffey, on 09 February 2013 - 05:49 PM, said:

The theory is stil not used. What you are sayign does not make any difference to that fact.
I don't believe you.  When do you have to consider the curvature of the Earth in your normal life?

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 11:06 AM

View Postflyingswan, on 10 February 2013 - 10:56 AM, said:

I don't believe you.  When do you have to consider the curvature of the Earth in your normal life?


That's got nothing to do with the point.

The point is about facts, the fact is the world is round. (well sort of)

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 11:35 AM

View PostCoffey, on 10 February 2013 - 11:06 AM, said:

That's got nothing to do with the point.

The point is about facts, the fact is the world is round. (well sort of)
The world being round doesn't affect the way you navigate in your local area.  You effectively work on the basis that it is flat, like a map.

Relativity doesn't affect the way we design ordinary machines, engineers effectively work on the basis that Newtonian mechanics is correct.

Similarly, in spite of what you claim, no future scientific discovery is going to affect the body of knowledge we have about the main environment differences between the earth and the moon.  The moon has low gravity, practically a vacuum for an atmosphere and a surface exposed to meteorites, cosmic radiation and the solar wind.

Edited by flyingswan, 10 February 2013 - 11:36 AM.

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 01:38 PM

View PostCoffey, on 09 February 2013 - 05:49 PM, said:

The theory is stil not used. What you are sayign does not make any difference to that fact.
WRONG, absolutely 100% wrong.  It's used every time you look at a map, every time you navigate somewhere, every time you estimate or look up a distance for road travel.  Every time you build something.  Every time you use a spirit level..  Even every time you look at a ruler and say "that is perfectly straight".   The flat earth concept works fine over most everyday distances.  It is correct for normal everyday, local use.

You are claiming that flat earth concepts are absolutely useless and can never be used.  That's easily, demonstrably wrong and very silly.

What YOU are saying shows that you are, as are most conspiracy believers, of the simplistic view that everything can be divided into a Yes or No scenario.  You do not and will not concede that there are different ways to approach problems.  You don't understand that concepts that work fine in some situations won't work outside certain constraints, YET are still perfectly suitable and adequately accurate for normal use.  It's NOT a ridiculously simple Yes or No situation, no matter how hard you try to make it so.

Unfortunately this type of 'Yes or No', 'with us or against us' type of approach only works in certain situations, too...  It only works on gullible and uninformed people - it doesn't work in situations where there are knowledgeable persons about...


I have a simple challenge for you, Coffey.  Answer two very easy questions - feel free to use more than Yes or No answers, but try to keep them to the point..

Q. 1  Do you believe Apollo happened substantially as is recorded by history?

Q. 2  If not, what, in your opinion, is the VERY BEST evidence to the contrary?

Then, I'll be delighted to go politely through that evidence with you, in a logical, scientific, step by step fashion, with proper cites and references.  That way you can show how well you understand science, and how well you have chosen your smoking gun..

So, rather than tell folks here they don't understand science, how about you show the way?

I hope you I don't make any basic errors at the start - that would be soo embarrassing.....

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 09:50 AM

{crickets chirp...}


Hey, where'd Coffey go?

Funny, s/he seems to posting merrily on other threads.. Wonder why s/he doesn't like this one any more?

Anyway, if s/he doesn't choose to further engage, I might go back and see what was the last evidence s/he posted, and then I'll work though that...

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 12:53 PM

View PostCoffey, on 07 February 2013 - 05:52 PM, said:

Yeah cause we fall off the edge of the earth.... Oh wait we don't. See the old theory does not stick or work with the new theory.

Didn't flying swan mention that theories aren't replaced by other theories, but rather that a new theory starts working where an old theory breaks down?
So the old "Flat Earth Theory" (which I'm sure I remember hearing somewhere was never widely believed) breaks down when your ship doesn't fall off the edge of the Earth, and so "Round Earth Theory" almost 'patches over' that problem by explaining that the Earth is curved and, therefore, we could never fall off.
Forgive me if I've somehow misread...





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