The Elohim

[Raelian1]

No category about extraterrestrials can't be complete without covering the Elohim, the alien scientists mentioned in the Bible. The Hebrew word Elohim doesn't mean god but "those that came from the sky". The Elohim created all life on Earth including us as told in Genesis. The Bible, when interpreted correctly, explained not only that Elohim created all life on Earth, but their influence upon us while on Earth. You can read more about that in the free e-book "Intelligent Design: Message from the Designers".

[Daedalus]

Wikipedia

[Solofront]

we are discovering more and more things about the bible as our longing to understand it grows

[eveningsky339]

Like aliens came down and wrote it?

Rubbish.

[Solofront]

god spoke it, scholars wrote it

[MedicTJ]

"Intelligent Design: Message From the Designers"

A book written by Rael of the Raelian cult. The same people who called a global press conference to announce the birth of the first human clone, then when asked to provide proof said that they would on a certain time and day.

Then, mysteriously, they never showed up for the press conference.

Great publicity move to get more people involved in their bowel movement...er....I mean...to get more people involved in their movement.

Rael has no scientific basis for his claims and is about as credible as David Koresh was. He is an egomaniacal narcissist who is only out to please one person..himself... and with as many women as he can possibly seduce into his ridiculous beliefs.

[Raelian1]

"Intelligent Design:  Message From the Designers"

A book written by Rael of the Raelian cult. 

Oh, so the Raelian Movement is a cult it is? So, how do you define a cult? Also, what cult do you belong to? A Jewish cult, a Christian cult or perhaps even an Islamic cult?

The same people who called a global press conference to announce the birth of the first human clone, then when asked to provide proof said that they would on a certain time and day.

What you first need to understand is that the Raelian Movement didn't clone any babies. The company that managed the Clonaid project did. Not even Rael has scientific proof that the cloned babies exists. It just so happens that there are Raelians that are involved in the Clonaid project, but not all the scientists are Raelian.

Also, there are multiple reasons why they don't show proof of the cloned babies. One reason is to protect the privacy of the children and parents. Also, It's illegal in a lot of country to perform cloning including the US and France (The owner is an American citizen and originally came from France).

He is an egomaniacal narcissist who is only out to please one person..himself... and with as many women as he can possibly seduce into his ridiculous beliefs.

Shows how much you know. You don't even know the man. I'm sure you got that idea from negative reports done by the stupid media who print out lies just to sell newspapers. I've personally met Rael and he is the most humble and selfless man I ever met. Please, try to do objective research by going to The Raelian Movement and download the free e-books. Oh, if you're really an objective individual who doesn't believe everything you read, go to a Raelian meetng and observe the members there and talk to them. I think you would be pleasantly surprised.

[Murdison]

"Intelligent Design:  Message From the Designers"

A book written by Rael of the Raelian cult.  The same people who called a global press conference to announce the birth of the first human clone, then when asked to provide proof said that they would on a certain time and day.

Then, mysteriously, they never showed up for the press conference.

Great publicity move to get more people involved in their bowel movement...er....I mean...to get more people involved in their movement.

Rael has no scientific basis for his claims and is about as credible as David Koresh was.  He is an egomaniacal narcissist who is only out to please one person..himself... and with as many women as he can possibly seduce into his ridiculous beliefs.

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Does'nt he also claim to be half alien...(hybrid)..? Yeh, definately a freaky cult, where they've all got them star shaped medallions hanging off their necks...weird..!

[MedicTJ]

Shows how much you know. You don't even know the man. I'm sure you got that idea from negative reports done by the stupid media who print out lies just to sell newspapers. I've personally met Rael and he is the most humble and selfless man I ever met. Please, try to do objective research by going to The Raelian Movement and download the free e-books.

Oh I've gone to the site before. Numerous times. I was actually interested in what he had to say until I saw through everything.

Let me ask you one question....since you seem to be "in the know" about this guy. You say you met him. Did he instruct you to address him as, "Your Holiness Rael"?

[MedicTJ]

Also, please explain his reasonings for these beliefs, and he has stated this in the past.....

He claims that Jesus Christ is his Uncle.

He claims that marriage is an abomination and that all men should take on as many sexual partners as is needed to fulfill their desires.

But nowadays, he has changed his tune. He now says that in the near future, men will be sexually "serviced" by nanobots. Apparently he wants to be rid of the "jealousy" factor between women. (had a little bit of trouble did he?)

He also teaches his followers to practice, "sensual meditation" to keep themselves "in line with the cosmos".

Personally, I've never felt the urge to be jerkin the gurkin while watching E.T. but if that's how this guy gets his kicks, who am I to argue?

My main problem with him is that he's obviously got POBS, or "Pat O'Brien Syndrome" (google Pat O'Brien and 3-way...you'll see what I mean)

He treats women like meat and doesn't respect them at all.

I can understand disrespecting E.T., but when the guy starts to disrespect and use females for his own perverted kicks, then I got a serious problem.

[Stellar]

oooh... oh, this aughta be fun...

The Elohim created all life on Earth including us as told in Genesis.

Really? Why? Because you say so? I see as much proof of the elohim creating all life on Earth as I see that the sungod Ra created it from Nu/Nun.

The Bible, when interpreted correctly, explained not only that Elohim created all life on Earth, but their influence upon us while on Earth.

And who's to say how it's to be interpreted? You? Your cult?

Oh, so the Raelian Movement is a cult it is?

Cult:

A religion or religious sect generally considered to be extremist or false, with its followers often living in an unconventional manner under the guidance of an authoritarian, charismatic leader.

Authoritarian:

Of, relating to, or expecting unquestioning obedience.

He wants unquestioning obedience... cuz if he doesnt get it, you wont be allowed to live forever when he learns to clone and transplant conciousness... Also uses feartactics like mentioned above.

What you first need to understand is that the Raelian Movement didn't clone any babies. The company that managed the Clonaid project did. Not even Rael has scientific proof that the cloned babies exists. It just so happens that there are Raelians that are involved in the Clonaid project, but not all the scientists are Raelian.

The company was founded BY "Rael".

Also, there are multiple reasons why they don't show proof of the cloned babies. One reason is to protect the privacy of the children and parents.

Really? I seem to remember hearing them say that they will show the evidence because the parents want to prove it as much as Clonaid does... I seem to remember that going on for a couple weeks until they lost press attention and then they died away.

Also, It's illegal in a lot of country to perform cloning including the US and France (The owner is an American citizen and originally came from France).

Point is? They came out and admitted that they cloned a human already...

Shows how much you know. You don't even know the man. I'm sure you got that idea from negative reports done by the stupid media who print out lies just to sell newspapers.

How can you be "sure" he got the idea from those reports? How can you be sure HE hasnt met the man?

Egomania:

Obsessive preoccupation with the self.

How much more egomaniacal can you get than renaming yourself "Rael", claiming aliens visited him and now thinking he's the messager of the aliens and he's the one who will lead us to the new "life" that's envisioned?

Please, try to do objective research by going to The Raelian Movement and download the free e-books. Oh, if you're really an objective individual who doesn't believe everything you read, go to a Raelian meetng and observe the members there and talk to them.

Wait... You're telling him to be objective by throwing out all the non raelian endorsed material he's read on the raelians out the window and instead only read books written by the Raelians and listen to what the Raelians have to say...? That sounds like the complete opposite of "objective" to me...

[MedicTJ]

I haven't met him. And I got a LOT of my info on the guy from http://www.rickross.com

Now, normally, giving a link to support your views...unless coming from a qualified news source...makes someone look incredibly stupid.

This particular website is the exception. They hold no affiliation to any specific religion at all. They report all occurrences and expose all movements where people are being "brainwashed" (for lack of a better term) into believing what one central leader believes.

Their reports come from documented interviews with major media outlets, as well as interviews and investigations that they conduct themselves.

Edited September 6, 2005 by MedicTJ

[Raelian1]

Does'nt he also claim to be half alien...(hybrid)..?    Yeh, definately a freaky cult, where they've all got them star shaped medallions hanging off their necks...weird..!

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Yes, Rael is half alien just like Jesus (father is Yahweh Elohim, mother an Earthling just like us).

Here we go with the cults again. I asked MedicTJ this question but he/she won't answer it. Maybe you will. What cult do you belong to? A Jewish cult, a Christian cult or perhaps even an Islamic cult?

[MedicTJ]

Does'nt he also claim to be half alien...(hybrid)..?    Yeh, definately a freaky cult, where they've all got them star shaped medallions hanging off their necks...weird..!

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Yes, Rael is half alien just like Jesus (father is Yahweh Elohim, mother an Earthling just like us).

Here we go with the cults again. I asked MedicTJ this question but he/she won't answer it. Maybe you will. What cult do you belong to? A Jewish cult, a Christian cult or perhaps even an Islamic cult?

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I don't belong to any cult. I am Christian, however I refuse to go to any church. There's a reason for this. I am told to give 10% of my earnings for God's work on this earth. That doesn't mean I have to give 10% to a church so it can help get them their next gold chalice or gold offering plate.

I choose to help others through my job (look at my screenname, you'll get a hint), and give my 10% to someone specifically that it may help.

I will NOT follow under any one person on this earth, nor will I give my will to him/her.

[MedicTJ]

And you haven't answered my question, either.

I asked you...when you said that you met Rael...if you addressed him as "Your Holiness Rael".

I've answered your question. Please answer mine.

[Raelian1]

Oh I've gone to the site before.  Numerous times.  I was actually interested in what he had to say until I saw through everything. 

Let me ask you one question....since you seem to be "in the know" about this guy.  You say you met him.  Did he instruct you to address him as, "Your Holiness Rael"?

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No, I never call him "Your Holiness Rael". I never use the term holy or holiness. I just call him Rael and he's happy with that. He treats me and every other Raelian as equals.

I'm glad you brought up this "Holiness" thing. Let me explain. Whenever Rael is interviewed by the media, he wants the interviewer to address him as "His Holiness Rael". This is so that the media will treat him with respect (the media is usually disrespectful to minority religions like scientology, moonies and The Raelian Movement). This is nothing more than a stupidity filter for lack of a better term. The media in general are stupid and need to address someone like Rael as "Your Holiness" so the media will treat him more respectfully. Also, when the general public watches Rael in the media, this will separate those that try to understand and those that can't understand the Raelian message.

[MedicTJ]

Can you explain why his ex-wife and children came out and spoke publicly about how Rael abused them not only physically, but sexually as well?

[Raelian1]

Also, please explain his reasonings for these beliefs, and he has stated this in the past.....

He claims that Jesus Christ is his Uncle.

He claims that marriage is an abomination and that all men should take on as many sexual partners as is needed to fulfill their desires.

But nowadays, he has changed his tune.  He now says that in the near future, men will be sexually "serviced" by nanobots.  Apparently he wants to be rid of the "jealousy" factor between women.  (had a little bit of trouble did he?)

He also teaches his followers to practice, "sensual meditation" to keep themselves "in line with the cosmos".

Personally, I've never felt the urge to be jerkin the gurkin while watching E.T. but if that's how this guy gets his kicks, who am I to argue?

My main problem with him is that he's obviously got POBS, or "Pat O'Brien Syndrome"  (google Pat O'Brien and 3-way...you'll see what I mean)

He treats women like meat and doesn't respect them at all.

I can understand disrespecting E.T., but when the guy starts to disrespect and use females for his own perverted kicks, then I got a serious problem.

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1. He claims that Jesus Christ is his Uncle.

Wrong. Jesus Christ is his half-brother.

2. He claims that marriage is an abomination and that all men should take on as many sexual partners as is needed to fulfill their desires.

Wrong again. He states that people should be allowed to have sex and children without getting married. The main problem he has with a tradition "paper" marriage is that husband and wife "own" each other. That is an abomination since people are not property. We have Raelian "marriages" where there is no official paper and couples can separate whenever they want. He did say that men AND WOMEN can have as many, one or no partners at all. This is permitted but not mandatory. Nothing is mandatory except for respect for oneself and others.

3. But nowadays, he has changed his tune. He now says that in the near future, men will be sexually "serviced" by nanobots. Apparently he wants to be rid of the "jealousy" factor between women. (had a little bit of trouble did he?)

He never changed his tune. He always said that. He said that in the near future, men will be sexually "serviced" by biological robots not "nanobots". Nanobots serve a different purpose. He always state that people should never be jealous. He is right. As I said before people are not property and they can have sex with any consenting adults (one or more, men or women).

4. He also teaches his followers to practice, "sensual meditation" to keep themselves "in line with the cosmos".

Correct. I do it almost everyday. Exercising the mind is very important (more important than exercising the body).

5. My main problem with him is that he's obviously got POBS, or "Pat O'Brien Syndrome" (google Pat O'Brien and 3-way...you'll see what I mean)

Wrong again. Rael is consistent with his teachings.

6. He treats women like meat and doesn't respect them at all.

Wrong again (I keep saying that). In fact Brigette Bosselier, a level 5 in the structure what is usually refered as a Bishop Guide, was chosen to replace Rael as Guide of Guide (level 6) when Rael will retire as the Guide of Guide. Also, there are a lot of women who hold high ranking positions in the Raelian Movement. Women (and men) are treated and judged equally.

7. I can understand disrespecting E.T., but when the guy starts to disrespect and use females for his own perverted kicks, then I got a serious problem.

Disrespecting E.T.? Where do you get this nonsense from? Using females for his own perverted kicks? Nobody does anything in the Raelian Movement that they don't want to do.

Also, I've noticed you like to use articles from that brainhole Rick Ross. He is in fact not an objective person. He feels that all minority religions are dangerous cults. How come he doesn't include the Catholic Church or the US military in his cult database? After all the Catholic Church and the US military are the most dangerous cults out there. He doesn't mention the Vatican and the child molestation scandals (I wonder why?). Also he doesn't mention how the US military uses deceptive tactics to lure naive teenagers into the military and brainwash them to murder innocent people (Again, I wonder why?). He is a big brainhole and can't relied on as a objective observer.

Look, the bottom line is, I'm not trying to convince or convert anyone about Raelism. I just post and inform about this wonderful message. Everyone is entitle to believe as they wish. But please try to get your facts straight about us if you're going to make comments about us.

Edited September 6, 2005 by Raelian1

[Raelian1]

Can you explain why his ex-wife and children came out and spoke publicly about how Rael abused them not only physically, but sexually as well?

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I don't know where you heard that (probably Rick Ross the Brainhole), but it's not true. Rael left his family when the children were old enough to take care of themselves and he didn't leave his family penniless. His ex-wife speaks out against him because she doesn't want Rael to do the mission he was given to by the Elohim and have sex with other CONSENTING women. His children, I don't know what they think of their father.

[Raelian1]

I don't belong to any cult.  I am Christian,..

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Christianity is a cult (The Catholic version is the worst).

I am Christian, however I refuse to go to any church.  There's a reason for this.  I am told to give 10% of my earnings for God's work on this earth.  That doesn't mean I have to give 10% to a church so it can help get them their next gold chalice or gold offering plate.

I choose to help others through my job (look at my screenname, you'll get a hint), and give my 10% to someone specifically that it may help.

I will NOT follow under any one person on this earth, nor will I give my will to him/her.

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Gald to hear it. That's what I like to read. That perfectly OK. That I have respect for. The Church' don't deserve this 10%. Oh and by the way, in the Raelian Movement all donations are voluntary.

[Stellar]

Although the posts were adressed to Medic, and I'll try to let Medic deal with the majority of them... there were some points I found I have to touch on...

Anyone who demannds to be called "holiness" from anyone for respect, IMO, doesnt deserve the respect he wants. Respect is earned, and you're not going to earn it by telling people, media or not, to call you "holiness".

He feels that all minority religions are dangerous cults. How come he doesn't include the Catholic Church or the US military in his cult database?

First of all, you said he feels all minority religions are cults. The Catholic Church isnt a minority religion, and the US military isnt a religion nor is minor.

After all the Catholic Church and the US military are the most dangerous cults out there.

I agree that they're dangerous, but they're not cults.

He doesn't mention the Vatican and the child molestation scandals (I wonder why?).

Maybe because its quite in the open already and doesnt need to inform anyone on that because it is getting plenty of attention...?

Also he doesn't mention how the US military uses deceptive tactics to lure naive teenagers into the military and brainwash them to murder innocent people

Deceptive tactics? Which do you consider deceptive?

BTW... They dont teach anyone to murder innocent people. BTW, have you ever been through military training to make those assumptions?

[MedicTJ]

Rael left his family when the children were old enough to take care of themselves and he didn't leave his family penniless. His ex-wife speaks out against him because she doesn't want Rael to do the mission he was given to by the Elohim and have sex with other CONSENTING women. His children, I don't know what they think of their father.

Oh come off it. The guy held ORGIES in front of his own children.

And OF COURSE his wife wouldn't want him to have sex with other CONSENTING women. You're doing nothing but proving my entire point.

The harm he has done to her and his own children is incredible. It is equally incredible that you condone what he's done. Even those who don't follow any religion at all can see that what he has done is purely wrong.

I don't care what creed or philosophy anyone follows. If you hurt someone as he has done it's just plain wrong. There is no other way to describe it. You can make all the excuses you want.

Nobody does anything in the Raelian Movement that they don't want to do.

And what about those OUTSIDE of the Raelian movement...i.e. his wife and children. Tough luck for them, huh? She chooses not to believe in what he says...and chooses not to allow him to bring home other women for sex...therefore she's wrong. You say that women aren't treated unfairly. All women, or just women within the movement?

The guy leaves his family for a few days....goes up to some mountain BY HIMSELF....comes down from the mountain and tells his wife that Jesus told him to bring in as many women as he could to have sex with them in his own house...in front of his own children.

WOW

Edited September 6, 2005 by MedicTJ

[Raelian1]

Boy, this is going to be an endless argument about how the stupid media lies about the Raelian Movement. Look, Rick Ross lies about minority religions so he can make a name for himself. If you feel that he's believable there's nothing I can do about it. I have nothng more to say about this. And Rael never had orgies in front of his children. That's another lie from his ex-wife.

Also, I don't see Rick Ross including the Catholic Church and other older danerous cults in his database because it wouldn't make him more popular. End of discussion about this brainhole idiot.

[MedicTJ]

Okay...but please answer this question....

And what about those OUTSIDE of the Raelian movement...i.e. his wife and children. Tough luck for them, huh? She chooses not to believe in what he says...and chooses not to allow him to bring home other women for sex...therefore she's wrong. You say that women aren't treated unfairly. All women, or just women within the movement?

[Stellar]

Boy, this is going to be an endless argument about how the stupid media lies about the Raelian Movement.

How do you know the media's lying? Because you're brainwashed to believe so by your cult? How about some proof that the media is lying?

Look, Rick Ross lies about minority religions so he can make a name for himself.

Why should I believe you? Because you say so?