TheMacGuffin, on 19 November 2012 - 08:50 AM, said:
If NASA isn't involved in a cover up, then why does Mitchell keep saying things like this in interviews?
"FORMER NASA astronaut and moonwalker Dr Edgar Mitchell - a veteran of the Apollo 14 mission - has stunningly claimed aliens do exist.
And he says extra-terrestrials have visited Earth on several occasions - but the
alien contact has been repeatedly covered up by governments for six decades.
Dr Mitchell, 77, said during a radio interview that sources at the space agency who had had contact with aliens described the beings as 'little people who look strange to us."
Which people at the "space agency" have had contacts with the aliens? LOL
http://www.dailytele...r-1111117003802
Those weren't Dr. Mitchell's words. What you've provided here is known as a misquote. He doesn't associate NASA or people who work for NASA as the ones who described "little people who look strange to us." He also mentions photographs when he is asked what they look like. He says "
Well you've seen some of the pictures. The pictures that I know of, some of them are these little people that look strange to us." If these are photographs that are in the public record, how are they covered up? Answer: they aren't covered up.
Were these photographs taken by NASA or people who work for NASA? Answer: no.
So again, find Dr. Mitchell stating
in his own words that NASA was involved in some kind of cover up.
TheMacGuffin, on 19 November 2012 - 08:58 AM, said:
And here it is again: Edgar Mitchell Blows the Lid on NASA. What more is there to say?
The honest thing to say is that Edgar Mitchell says nothing of the sort in this interview. The closest he comes to saying something like that is when he is asked whether or not other people involved with the moon landings "know about this" and he responds saying "Some of the do."
How does that equate to a coverup? How do we know exactly who he is talking about?
TheMacGuffin, on 19 November 2012 - 09:01 AM, said:
No, I am not at all. I have continually posted videos about Mitchell saying that people at NASA have had contact with aliens and so forth.
I don't know if it's humanly possible to do any more than I have done to establish this point, but I'm getting tired of repeating myself about how an "X" is an "X".
You could start by providing an exact quote from him which definitively states that he believes NASA has been involved in a coverup as you have claimed. So far you haven't done so.
TheMacGuffin, on 19 November 2012 - 09:14 AM, said:
In that interview, Mitchell was asked specifically whether people involved in the moon landings know about contacts with aliens, and he answered "some of them do".
Don't take my word for it, all you have to do is listen to what he says for himself.
Again, specifically who is he referring to? How do we know that he isn't talking about someone else who is likewise convinced about alien visitation by the same set of evidence that has convinced him? Knowing about something (which should read: believing something) and being involved in a coverup are not the same thing McG. You'll have to do better if you intend to substantiate your claim.
quillius, on 19 November 2012 - 09:21 AM, said:
Maybe a fair compromise at this point would be to say Mitchell says ' people within NASA are part of cover up but NASA as an organistion are not.
deal?
at what point to individuals 'count enough' to represent the organisation they work for?
If you can find where Mitchell says even that, it would be a worthy compromise. However, I don't believe he has even said that.
TheMacGuffin, on 19 November 2012 - 09:46 AM, said:
I wouldn't say that EVERYONE at NASA was involved in the UFO cover up, but clearly Mitchell said that some of them were. As he pointed out, everything to do with ETs and UFOs is very highly compartmentalized and has been since 1950 at least.
Where has he said that
anyone at NASA was involved in a coverup? So far you've not provided it.
quillius, on 19 November 2012 - 09:50 AM, said:
great I think there is some good middle ground here to reach an agreement....
So we all agree NASA as an organisation has no 'agenda' that is known by all employees, however it is understood that 'individuals' that work within NASA are part/have been part of a cover up....
anyone disagree with this?
I disagree with it. If this is the case we should be able to find somewhere that Dr. Mitchell has indicated so. Are you aware of any place where he has?
TheMacGuffin, on 19 November 2012 - 10:07 AM, said:
As I said, it's a thankless task for me since I can post a dozen things proving that Mitchell really did talk about people at NASA covering up aliens and UFOs, only to be told that what he said doesn't matter anyway what.
And this is after I dutifully answer request after request after request demanding that I PROVE Edgar Mitchell said such things. He did say them, repeatedly, but now I'm just going to be told it doesn't matter any way.
Well, next time when Oberg and friends want to look something up they can do it themselves. Why can't they? Did they break their fingers? LOL
You haven't proven your claim McG. Nothing in what you've presented has Dr. Mitchell saying that NASA or people at NASA have been involved in any kind of coverup.
In addition, he has emphatically stated that NASA is definitively NOT involved with the coverup that he believes has taken place. Again, I quote:
At about 3:40 in
this video, Mitchell clarifies with "
One more thing... it got messed up that this had to do with NASA. It doesn't have anything to do with NASA."
And as quoted by psyche:
LB - Lisa Bonnice
EM - Edgar Mitchell.
LB: The interviews are quoted as saying that you say sources at NASA who had contact with aliens…
EM: That is totally false.
LB: Then let’s clear that up.
EM: Yes, please do. That is not correct. Because I have talked with government people about it, and military people about it, that was a misquote.
LB: Good. I’m glad to clear that one up. Have you seen the reports? The articles that are going around?
EM: I’ve seen some of them. They’ve been floating into my computer all day long.
LB: Is there anything else in these articles that you would like to use as an opportunity to say “OK, they misquoted me”?
EM: I would have to look at them individually, but that’s one that, to my knowledge, has nothing to do with NASA.
LB: One of these quotes said that whoever did describe these beings said they resembled “little people who look strange to us.”
EM: Well, we’ve all seen the pictures of the so-called aliens – “little grays.” I have no first-hand evidence that that’s true, but I do accept the fact that those seem to be the prevalent story.
LB: That does seem to be what the majority of people who say they’ve seen them agree upon. Now another one, this one I can see makes so much sense that our technology is not nearly as sophisticated and if they had been hostile we would have been gone by now.
EM: Well, if they proved to be hostile, and wanted to do so, they probably could. But there’s utterly no evidence that they really are hostile.
LINK
Do you understand the distinction here? Do you see the difference between an actual quote and a misquote?
We have Dr. Mitchell, in his own words, refuting what you've claimed McG.
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please try and keep up.
Granted I havent been following their entire "debate" on this,...
