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#1    Abramelin

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 01:39 AM

But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them — bring them here and kill them in front of me.

http://bible.cc/luke/19-27.htm


Can someone explain to me what Jesus meant with this?


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Posted 31 October 2012 - 01:46 AM

View PostAbramelin, on 31 October 2012 - 01:39 AM, said:

But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them — bring them here and kill them in front of me.

http://bible.cc/luke/19-27.htm


Can someone explain to me what Jesus meant with this?

It's part of a story he was telling. Starts in Luke 19:11
http://bible.cc/luke/19-11.htm

"A cat has nine lives. For three he plays, for three he strays, and for the last three he stays."


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Posted 31 October 2012 - 01:52 AM

I've had this verse pointed out to me when i was railing against Islamic tenets.  I said that Christians did not kill those who did not want to convert.  This verse was given as proof that Christians DO believe in killing those who don't convert - I reject this.  I don't know what His intent was in this verse but I do know that He will put ALL things under His control when He returns.  It will be a Kingdom in the truest historical sense.  He will be an absolute dictator of the planet and will do what is right for us.  This is why people will actually try to fight Him - they will not want to lose their "freedom" to sin even though it causes suffering and pain and death.

  Imagination is the power in the turn of a phrase.

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 01:58 AM

View PostImaginarynumber1, on 31 October 2012 - 01:46 AM, said:

It's part of a story he was telling. Starts in Luke 19:11
http://bible.cc/luke/19-11.htm

OK, so I don't get it.

26 For I say unto you, That unto every one which hath shall be given; and from him that hath not, even that he hath shall be taken away from him.

27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

28 And when he had thus spoken, he went before, ascending up to Jerusalem.


http://www.biblegate... 19&version=KJV

Did Jesus agree with what was said in this socalled parable?


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Posted 31 October 2012 - 02:14 AM

View PostAbramelin, on 31 October 2012 - 01:58 AM, said:

OK, so I don't get it.

26 For I say unto you, That unto every one which hath shall be given; and from him that hath not, even that he hath shall be taken away from him.

27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

28 And when he had thus spoken, he went before, ascending up to Jerusalem.


http://www.biblegate... 19&version=KJV

Did Jesus agree with what was said in this socalled parable?

I dunno, man. It's all just meaningless BS to me anyway.

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 02:17 AM

View PostImaginarynumber1, on 31 October 2012 - 02:14 AM, said:

I dunno, man. It's all just meaningless BS to me anyway.

This BS rules our planet, so I thought I ask some questions.


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Posted 31 October 2012 - 02:22 AM

View PostAbramelin, on 31 October 2012 - 02:17 AM, said:

This BS rules our planet, so I thought I ask some questions.

Hey, I with you on that one. It's pathetic that 2000 year old jewish fairy tales even matter today.

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 02:31 AM

View PostImaginarynumber1, on 31 October 2012 - 02:22 AM, said:

Hey, I with you on that one. It's pathetic that 2000 year old jewish fairy tales even matter today.

And when you even dare to question some odd saying by one of our socalled 'holy men', AND use the wrong words...ah, forget it.


Matthew 10:34.

"Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword.
35 "For I have come to 'set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law';
36 "and 'a man's enemies will be those of his own household.'
Matthew 10:34. "Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword.
35 "For I have come to 'set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law';
36 "and 'a man's enemies will be those of his own household.'

The guy didn't come to bring peace at all.


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Edited by Abramelin, 31 October 2012 - 02:32 AM.


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Posted 31 October 2012 - 02:45 AM

View PostAbramelin, on 31 October 2012 - 02:31 AM, said:

And when you even dare to question some odd saying by one of our socalled 'holy men', AND use the wrong words...ah, forget it.


Matthew 10:34.

"Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword.
35 "For I have come to 'set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law';
36 "and 'a man's enemies will be those of his own household.'
Matthew 10:34. "Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword.
35 "For I have come to 'set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law';
36 "and 'a man's enemies will be those of his own household.'

The guy didn't come to bring peace at all.


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It's sickening to see some peoples devotion to an ancient cult.

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 03:19 AM

This thread, I believe, is about a Bible passage, not about whether you like or dislike what religion has done to our world.  We’re only on page 1 of this, so hopefully we can bring this back on topic now.  Thanks,

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 03:32 AM

View PostParanoid Android, on 31 October 2012 - 03:19 AM, said:

This thread, I believe, is about a Bible passage, not about whether you like or dislike what religion has done to our world.  We’re only on page 1 of this, so hopefully we can bring this back on topic now.  Thanks,

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Good.

The topic: Jesus wasn't all about 'love and peace'.


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Posted 31 October 2012 - 03:46 AM

View PostAbramelin, on 31 October 2012 - 01:39 AM, said:

But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them — bring them here and kill them in front of me.

http://bible.cc/luke/19-27.htm


Can someone explain to me what Jesus meant with this?

A defiant challenge? He wanted his enemies brought before him and because someone might try to kill him, so that he may forgive them?

I don't know. I'm an agnostic. I'm just asking questions too.

Edited to add: I have an unfortunate number of posts.

Edited by Likely Guy, 31 October 2012 - 04:03 AM.


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Posted 31 October 2012 - 03:52 AM

View PostAbramelin, on 31 October 2012 - 03:32 AM, said:

Good.

The topic: Jesus wasn't all about 'love and peace'.
I thought the topic was to get opinions on what Jesus meant when he said a particular phrase.  Your approach here seems to dismiss any opinion that disagrees with your statement.

Things would go a lot smoother if you said what you really meant to begin with.

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 04:10 AM

View PostParanoid Android, on 31 October 2012 - 03:52 AM, said:

I thought the topic was to get opinions on what Jesus meant when he said a particular phrase.  Your approach here seems to dismiss any opinion that disagrees with your statement.

Things would go a lot smoother if you said what you really meant to begin with.

I just told you my opinion about what Jesus said.


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Posted 31 October 2012 - 04:13 AM

View PostLikely Guy, on 31 October 2012 - 03:46 AM, said:

A defiant challenge? He wanted his enemies brought before him and because someone might try to kill him, so that he may forgive them?

I don't know. I'm an agnostic. I'm just asking questions too.

Edited to add: I have an unfortunate number of posts.

Uhm, well, he wanted his pals to bring his enemies before him, and then that they should 'slaughter' them.

All of that in good faith, of course.





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