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Obama 'backs assault weapons ban'

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#331    acidhead

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 06:09 AM

View PostStellar, on 14 January 2013 - 04:40 AM, said:

Are you here to look for an argument or do you have a purpose? It is a fact. Its a common and accepted way of describing the Earth and you full well knew the meaning behind it. You are quite aware that round was used synonymously for spheroid in this case.

So tell me... how long do you intend to stare at a gun until you realize it is nothing but a gun?

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 12:06 PM

View PostStellar, on 14 January 2013 - 02:08 AM, said:

So then you are controlling who can have weapons and who can't (criminals and psychos) despite the fact that "guns don't kill people". This brings me to my point: The saying "Guns don't kill people" is nothing but a meaningless catch-phrase which is ill-suited as an argument against gun control. Why? Because despite saying that guns should not be controlled because they're inanimate objects, everyone agrees that for the safety of others, criminals and psychopath should not have easy access to guns.
I think this is true.  But the problem arises when the issue is as polarized as it has become.  Just as the NRA has become entrenched and is steadfastly fighting against ANY infringement - no matter how slight - of gun ownership, so has the left in general become rabid in their push to take away the right to possess firearms altogether.  There is no easy middle ground and history has proven that if precedent is set it WILL be used to incrementally take more rights away.  What happened in CT happened for many reasons and NONE of them will be given serious consideration except the role of firearms in the slaughter.  THAT is part of the fight between left and right on display.  The act of actually taking away gun rights in this country could lead to a real, bloody, civil war.  It's THAT serious.

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 02:12 PM

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history has proven that if precedent is set it WILL be used to incrementally take more rights away.

But, history hasn't proved that at all. There are plenty of countries with much more strict gun control and no one has been incrementally taking away more rights....

Yes there were some countries where it did happen, but there are many more where it didn't.

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So tell me... how long do you intend to stare at a gun until you realize it is nothing but a gun?      

Read the rest of my posts in this thread. I'm not going to bother repeating myself a third time.

If you're truly arguing that since guns don't kill people, therefore criminals and psychos should have just as easy access to guns as everyone else then I can't help you. If you believe they shouldn't have easy access, then you're contradicting the very premise of your argument that "guns don't kill people".

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 02:29 PM

"Nukes don't kill people" - the slogan of the National Nuclear Weapons Association.


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Posted 14 January 2013 - 03:22 PM

View PostTiggs, on 14 January 2013 - 02:29 PM, said:

"Nukes don't kill people" - the slogan of the National Nuclear Weapons Association.

Nukes don't self explode. Guns don't self shoot. They require a human finger.

It's good to have some skepticism so you won't be gullible & naïve. But to much skepticism
can make you narrow minded to all possibilities no matter how unconventional.

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 03:30 PM

View PostMag357, on 14 January 2013 - 03:22 PM, said:

Nukes don't self explode. Guns don't self shoot. They require a human finger.

Which is why everyone should be allowed to own nukes, right?


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Posted 14 January 2013 - 03:45 PM

View PostTiggs, on 14 January 2013 - 03:30 PM, said:

Which is why everyone should be allowed to own nukes, right?

Lets ban burgers, fries, pizza etc. since obesity is killing everyone.

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 03:51 PM

View PostTiggs, on 14 January 2013 - 03:30 PM, said:

Which is why everyone should be allowed to own nukes, right?
wrong.

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 03:52 PM

View PostMag357, on 14 January 2013 - 03:45 PM, said:

Lets ban burgers, fries, pizza etc. since obesity is killing everyone.
The slight difference is that you are killing yourself, which, while frowned upon, is not considered as criminal as killing somebody else.

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 03:53 PM

View PostMag357, on 14 January 2013 - 03:45 PM, said:

Lets ban burgers, fries, pizza etc. since obesity is killing everyone.

You can pry them from my cold dead hands. Just like my nukes.

Edited by Tiggs, 14 January 2013 - 04:12 PM.


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Posted 14 January 2013 - 03:54 PM

View Postaztek, on 14 January 2013 - 03:51 PM, said:

wrong.

So tell me... how long do you intend to stare at a nuke until you realize it is nothing but a nuke?


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Posted 14 January 2013 - 03:56 PM

My goodness.  This thread has devolved hasn't it.  

*agrees with Tiggs about the burgers, fries, pizza, etc.*

Why is it always extremes?  Yes or No.  All or nothing.

Is ANYONE capable of self control and responsibility?

Killed some one?  Sugar made me do it.
Morbidly obese?  Outlaw - moderate by law - fat.

Jeesh.

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 03:57 PM

View PostTiggs, on 14 January 2013 - 03:54 PM, said:

So tell me... how long do you intend to stare at a nuke until you realize it is nothing but a nuke?
i'll let you know when i'm done stareing.

Edited by aztek, 14 January 2013 - 03:59 PM.

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 04:09 PM

View PostHerNibs, on 14 January 2013 - 03:56 PM, said:

My goodness.  This thread has devolved hasn't it.
  

Well, a little.

I think that regardless of your position on banning assault rifles (and I personally think that's a bad idea, as it happens) - the whole "Guns don't kill people" argument is absurd.

Nukes don't kill people. Drones don't kill people. Tanks don't kill people. Assault Helicopters don't kill people. Guns don't kill people.

If they didn't, then the military should stop wasting their time and money buying them.

Seriously.


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*agrees with Tiggs about the burgers, fries, pizza, etc.*

Well, obviously.


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Posted 14 January 2013 - 04:11 PM

View PostTiggs, on 14 January 2013 - 04:09 PM, said:

Well, a little.

I think that regardless of your position on banning assault rifles (and I personally think that's a bad idea, as it happens) - the whole "Guns don't kill people" argument is absurd.

Nukes don't kill people. Drones don't kill people. Tanks don't kill people. Assault Helicopters don't kill people. Guns don't kill people.

If they didn't, then the military should stop wasting their time and money buying them.

Seriously.

Oh, I agree.  That is basically what I meant.  Banning isn't the answer.

It just makes me crazy with the "____ made me do it." crap that is prevalent these days.


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Well, obviously.

And tatertots.

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