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#61    Babe Ruth

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 07:52 PM

My guess is that you watch alot of 24.


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Posted 16 March 2013 - 12:33 PM

torture is the ideal means for getting people to say what  YOU  want them to? Do you have links to Al Qaeiouda? }}}}}  torture tortue torture  {{{{{{ ... " YES!* "
  Write that down corporal.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 01:51 PM

View Postlightly, on 16 March 2013 - 12:33 PM, said:

torture is the ideal means for getting people to say what  YOU  want them to? Do you have links to Al Qaeiouda? }}}}}  torture tortue torture  {{{{{{ ... " YES!* "
  Write that down corporal.

Yes that would very stupid. If that is how you think torture is done then I have nothing to say to you except advise you to look into how torture is actually done.

" Mighty little force is needed to control a man whose mind has been hoodwinked; contrariwise, no amount of force can control a free man, a man whose mind is free. No, not the rack, not fission bombs, not anything —you can't conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him" - Robert Heinlein

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 02:31 PM

Jeez, learn the finer points of torture. :cry:

I hope we don't hear about the benefits of rape or pedophilia.


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Posted 19 March 2013 - 03:32 PM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 19 March 2013 - 02:31 PM, said:

Jeez, learn the finer points of torture. :cry:

I hope we don't hear about the benefits of rape or pedophilia.
Hello!!!!  LOL!!!  very nice babe.


Bama13.....I give up.


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Posted 19 March 2013 - 05:17 PM

View PostOverSword, on 19 March 2013 - 03:32 PM, said:

Hello!!!!  LOL!!!  very nice babe.


Bama13.....I give up.

Ha. Tortured you into quitting and didn't even have to lay a hand on you. :clap:

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 05:21 PM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 19 March 2013 - 02:31 PM, said:

Jeez, learn the finer points of torture. :cry:

I hope we don't hear about the benefits of rape or pedophilia.

Just learn how torture can be an effective way to get info.

I have said nothing to deserve the last remark. Sorry if telling the truth about the potential effectiveness of torture offended you.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 05:25 PM

View PostBama13, on 19 March 2013 - 05:21 PM, said:

Just learn how torture can be an effective way to get info.

I have said nothing to deserve the last remark. Sorry if telling the truth about the potential effectiveness of torture offended you.
and still you can get people to say anything under torture .. truth or false
isn't that the reason so many people confessed having pact with the devil in the dark ages ?
and the reason they confessed practicing witchcraft ?
weren't they tortured to give confession and they did ?

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 05:59 PM

View PostKnight Of Shadows, on 19 March 2013 - 05:25 PM, said:

and still you can get people to say anything under torture .. truth or false
isn't that the reason so many people confessed having pact with the devil in the dark ages ?
and the reason they confessed practicing witchcraft ?
weren't they tortured to give confession and they did ?

Again I say that if you are torturing someone to get them to confess to a crime that it is idiotic. Of course they will confess.

But if you know there is a event/action/attack coming up in the next month or so, and you have a suspect that knows when and where the event/action/attack is going to happen then you can get the info from him. You can't say "tell me the attack is going to happen in DC on April the 3rd" that would be stupid since you wouldn't being getting any actual info. But you can get him to reveal the time and place using torture.

My older brother once hit me in the arm until I told him where I had hidden the last candy bar. I told him when my arm got really sore. He didn't say "tell me the candy bar is in the cabinet behind the plates" because he didn't know where the candy bar was, he just knew there was one left. Since my parents wouldn't have hidden it I must have. Since he knew there was a candy bar, and knew I had hidden it, the torture worked. Now if I hadn't known where it was it wouldn't have worked. But in the right circuminstances it certainly can work.

If you don't think torture works then steal a couple of million dollars from the mob and hide it. Then tell the mob guys that you took their money and hid it. See if they don't get you to tell them where you hid it. I bet they do.

I am done on this topic. If ya'll want to believe that torture never works, even though I have proven that it can, then rest secure in your ignorance.

Edited by Bama13, 19 March 2013 - 06:10 PM.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 06:58 PM

View PostBama13, on 19 March 2013 - 05:59 PM, said:

Again I say that if you are torturing someone to get them to confess to a crime that it is idiotic. Of course they will confess.

But if you know there is a event/action/attack coming up in the next month or so, and you have a suspect that knows when and where the event/action/attack is going to happen then you can get the info from him. You can't say "tell me the attack is going to happen in DC on April the 3rd" that would be stupid since you wouldn't being getting any actual info. But you can get him to reveal the time and place using torture.

My older brother once hit me in the arm until I told him where I had hidden the last candy bar. I told him when my arm got really sore. He didn't say "tell me the candy bar is in the cabinet behind the plates" because he didn't know where the candy bar was, he just knew there was one left. Since my parents wouldn't have hidden it I must have. Since he knew there was a candy bar, and knew I had hidden it, the torture worked. Now if I hadn't known where it was it wouldn't have worked. But in the right circuminstances it certainly can work.

If you don't think torture works then steal a couple of million dollars from the mob and hide it. Then tell the mob guys that you took their money and hid it. See if they don't get you to tell them where you hid it. I bet they do.

I am done on this topic. If ya'll want to believe that torture never works, even though I have proven that it can, then rest secure in your ignorance.
it's true to an extend .. but what if that guy really don't know anything and you got the wrong guy you've tortured
doesn't that give that guy the right to sue your ass in court and put you behind bars ?
or would you simply say " sorry we mistaken you for some one else " ?

it's double bladed weapon and many innocent people fall victims of unjust tortured based on your analogy
it's like .. 10 people have connection with terrorist and some operation going down
let's torture them all and in fact none of them might know anything

no one can actually tell people's thought .. and no one can ' know " what other people's know
unless we're going to jump this topic into supernature field
and the only way torture is " allowed " in my opinion when there is clear physical evidence that person involved
otherwise you'd be the oppressor .. not the good guy

edit : and define to us the moral response you have on " sodomizing " a suspect as form of torturing
which can be easily fall under " rape " crime

Edited by Knight Of Shadows, 19 March 2013 - 06:59 PM.

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And from the evil of darkness when it settles And from the evil of the blowers in knots
And from the evil of an envier when he envies"
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Posted 19 March 2013 - 07:07 PM

View PostKnight Of Shadows, on 19 March 2013 - 06:58 PM, said:

it's true to an extend .. but what if that guy really don't know anything and you got the wrong guy you've tortured
doesn't that give that guy the right to sue your ass in court and put you behind bars ?
or would you simply say " sorry we mistaken you for some one else " ?

it's double bladed weapon and many innocent people fall victims of unjust tortured based on your analogy
it's like .. 10 people have connection with terrorist and some operation going down
let's torture them all and in fact none of them might know anything

no one can actually tell people's thought .. and no one can ' know " what other people's know
unless we're going to jump this topic into supernature field
and the only way torture is " allowed " in my opinion when there is clear physical evidence that person involved
otherwise you'd be the oppressor .. not the good guy

edit : and define to us the moral response you have on " sodomizing " a suspect as form of torturing
which can be easily fall under " rape " crime

Once again I am not condoning torture, just responding to those who say it never works.

My morals are not at issue here, just the facts. Fact is torture can be effective.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 07:27 PM

View PostBama13, on 19 March 2013 - 07:07 PM, said:

Once again I am not condoning torture, just responding to those who say it never works.

My morals are not at issue here, just the facts. Fact is torture can be effective.

I am not condoning sodomy, but pointing out that it works.

No one has refused to tell me what i need to know after they see my 8oz blood sausague heading for their rectum.

Sodomy is fun. Fact. It is also effective.


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Posted 19 March 2013 - 08:14 PM

Bama

As the Professor and Knight have suggested, you are on the downhill side of a very slippery slope.

In a nutshell, you are telling us that assault can be OK, if done by a person properly trained.  Rape or sodomy can be used instead.

Methinks you might have watched one too many episodes of 24... :innocent:


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Posted 19 March 2013 - 08:59 PM

View PostBama13, on 19 March 2013 - 07:07 PM, said:

Once again I am not condoning torture, just responding to those who say it never works.

My morals are not at issue here, just the facts. Fact is torture can be effective.
torturing thousands of people to get lucky break with some one who actually knows something while rest were innocent victims
of unjustifed torture and only suspects .. and as they say the suspect is innocent till proven otherwise
so no even on the effective level .. it is not effective it's a failure of a technique
let alone the moral side effects cause by that
not only it wrong innocent people with slight chance of good results
it also make people go bad for example :


am not terrorist .. but if i got captured and tortured without doing anything and sodomized by cia .. i WILL become a terrorist

Edited by Knight Of Shadows, 19 March 2013 - 09:01 PM.

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And from the evil of an envier when he envies"
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Posted 19 March 2013 - 09:04 PM

View PostBama13, on 19 March 2013 - 07:07 PM, said:

Once again I am not condoning torture, just responding to those who say it never works.

My morals are not at issue here, just the facts. Fact is torture can be effective.
Nobody said it doesn't work bama.  We said it's unreliable.  It is unreliable on so many levels, as well as simply immoral it should never be done by people who believe they are fighting for right.  If you would sacrifice your honor for mere victory then you deserve whatever messed up thing your enemy does to you.





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