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#136    pallidin

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 03:19 AM

I'll take a stab at this:

Babe Ruth, you are acting totally irresponsible. You have zero evidence to support ANY of your claims, and present even less logic.


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Posted 03 April 2013 - 03:21 AM

View Postpallidin, on 03 April 2013 - 03:19 AM, said:

I'll take a stab at this:

Babe Ruth, you are acting totally irresponsible. You have zero evidence to support ANY of your claims, and present even less logic.
THeres a line pallidin  LoL ! :tu:

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 03:35 AM

View PostDONTEATUS, on 03 April 2013 - 03:16 AM, said:

Well Skyeagle one thing is quite true ! THe only damage is the brain damage that a few of these C.T`s in here show,ITs like a Zoo in some cases. When will they get the Minnows off my back? :no:

If they did a bit of checking, they would have determined that a nuclear explosion generate temperatures in the millions of degrees.

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The center of a nuclear explosion depends on the yield of the weapon. and whether the weapon is an atom bomb which relies on nuclear fission to detonate or a hydrogen bomb which uses both fusion and fission. but like i said those are all factors that play a role in the temperature at the center of a nuke but the temperature is always between 50 and 150 million degrees Fahrenheit.

Even with a 15 kiloton detonation, the intensity of the thermal radiation can exceed 1000 Watts per square cm. This is similar to getting burnt by an acetylene torch used for welding metals. For a 15 kiloton bomb, almost everyone within 2 km will suffer third degree burns (which damage the skin and tissues below it); for 550 kiloton bomb, third degree burns occur in a radius up to 9 km. There will be almost no survivors since no immediate medical attention will be available (the entire U.S. has specialized facilities to treat 1500 burn

RADIATION

Our understanding of radiation casualties is not complete. In the words of Dr. Robert Stone of theManhattan Project, "The fundamental mechanism of the action of radiation on living tissues has not been understood.”


Radiation victims who were near the hypocentre but escaped heat burns or secondary injuries became ill within two or three days with symptoms such as nausea, vomiting, bloody diarrhoea and hair loss. Most died within a week.


Radiation victims who were further away from the explosion did not show severe symptoms until later (one to four weeks after the explosion). The first signs were loss of appetite, lassitude and general discomfort. Inflammation of the gums, mouth, and pharynx as well as fever appeared next.


Radiation caused a wide range of disorders for decades. Even today, after more than fifty years, the full range of effects of radiation taken into the body has yet to be clarified. Many survivors continue to suffer from those effects.


CANCER


Beginning around 1960, the incidence of cancer began to increase. The main cancers included thyroid, breast, lung, and salivary gland. The role of radiation in cancer is significant. Some researchers reported a direct correspondence between distance from hypocenter, probable exposure dose, and malignancy rates.


What are electromagnetic effects (Electromagnetic Pulse or EMP)?

Ionizing radiation from the fireball produces intense currents and electromagnetic fields, usually referred to as the electromagnetic pulse (EMP). This pulse is felt over very large distances. A single high-yield nuclear detonation will create destructive EMP over hundreds of thousands of square kilometers beneath where the explosion occurs.

EMP from high-yield nuclear detonations will subject electrical grids to voltage surges far exceeding those caused by lightning. Modern VLSI chips and microprocessors, present in most communication equipment. TVs, radios, computers and other electronic equipment are extremely sensitive to these surges and immediately get burnt out. Thus all possible communication links to the outside world are cut off. Restoring these facilities will be an arduous (and expensive) task assuming that the infrastructure required to complete this task would still exist following a nuclear war.

Warplanners consider the EMP from the detonation of a high-yield warhead as capable of disrupting the entire communication system of their nation, and in this way a single missile launch could begin a nuclear war.


http://www.nuclearda...nuclearweapons/



In the WTC videos, we can ascertain the following facts.
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No blinding flash + no thermal effects + no EMP effects on vehicles, computers or video cameras + no radiation effects on people in the immediate area of ground zero + no sound of explosions = no nukes at ground zero
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Edited by skyeagle409, 03 April 2013 - 03:53 AM.

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 04:10 AM

View Postskyeagle409, on 02 April 2013 - 11:44 PM, said:

Well, they realized it here.

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No nukes!!


I never said it gotta be nukes ...... didn't care for the 'theories' either, those don't seems like 'nutcases' to me. They knew what they were suppose to do, the situation was made very convenient for them to succeed. Its strange to me that so many conditions were in place serendipitously that got them so far.

if the things they scavenged out of 'ground zero' doesn't show radiation contamination they got nothing,

that doesn't mean I believe in that so called '911 commission report' either ...

Just out of curiosity, were there any human remains recovered from the pentagon crash site at all ?

Edited by third_eye, 03 April 2013 - 04:15 AM.

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 04:27 AM

View Postthird_eye, on 03 April 2013 - 04:10 AM, said:

I never said it gotta be nukes ...... didn't care for the 'theories' either, those don't seems like 'nutcases' to me. They knew what they were suppose to do, the situation was made very convenient for them to succeed. Its strange to me that so many conditions were in place serendipitously that got them so far.

if the things they scavenged out of 'ground zero' doesn't show radiation contamination they got nothing,

that doesn't mean I believe in that so called '911 commission report' either ...

Just out of curiosity, were there any human remains recovered from the pentagon crash site at all ?

yes, and those photos can be found online, id rather not look at them again so ill leave you and google up to that one.


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Posted 03 April 2013 - 04:33 AM

View PostIron_Lotus, on 03 April 2013 - 04:27 AM, said:

yes, and those photos can be found online, id rather not look at them again so ill leave you and google up to that one.

Hiya Iron_Lotus
nahhh ... I'm not gonna google that, if I was so inclined I would have googled and not have to ask, thanks for letting know.

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 04:37 AM

probably the best choice cause those photos are pretty gruesome. no problem third_eye happy to help.


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Posted 03 April 2013 - 05:23 AM

View Postthird_eye, on 03 April 2013 - 04:10 AM, said:

I never said it gotta be nukes ...... didn't care for the 'theories' either

if the things they scavenged out of ground zero doesn't show radiation contamination they got nothing,

that doesn't mean I believe in that so called '911 commission report' either ...

This is what a radiation contaminated sites are like.

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FUKUSHIMA, Japan (AP) – Workers in rubber boots chip at the frozen ground, scraping until they've removed the top 2 inches (5 centimeters) of radioactive soil from the yard of a single home. Total amount of waste gathered: roughly 60 tons.

One down, tens of thousands to go. And since wind and rain spread radiation easily, even this yard may need to be dug up again. The work is part of a monumental task: a costly and uncertain effort by Japan to try to make radiation-contaminated communities inhabitable again. Some contractors are experimenting with chemicals; others stick with shovels and high-pressure water.


One government expert says it's mostly trial and error.


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On another note, in 1983, a Soviet officer saved the world from nuclear annihilation, but It was an incident that has been kept secret for many years. What would have happened if the other Soviet officer was in charge? Would we still be here today if fate had not taken over?


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September 26th, 1983: The day the world almost died

Stanislav Petrov may have prevented all out nuclear war between the U.S. and the USSR


... For now, though, as far as Petrov was concerned, more hinged on just getting through another boring night in which nothing ever happened. Except then, suddenly, it did. A warning light flashed up, screaming red letters on a white background - 'LAUNCH. LAUNCH'. Deafening sirens wailed. The computer was telling him that the U.S. had just gone to war.


http://www.dailymail...world-died.html


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Just out of curiosity, were there any human remains recovered from the pentagon crash site at all ?


Yes!


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Remains of 9 Sept Hijackers Held



Families of the airplanes' passengers and crews and those who died within the Pentagon provided DNA samples, typically on toothbrushes or hairbrushes, to aid with identification. The remains that didn't match any of the samples were ruled to be the terrorists, said Chris Kelly, spokesman for the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology, which did the DNA work. The nine sets of remains matched the number of hijackers believed to be on the two planes.[/color]


Suzanne Calley died aboard American Airlines Flight 77 when terrorists hijacked the plane and sent it crashing into the Pentagon... Rescue crews were able to pull Calley’s body from Flight 77’s wreckage. Jensen [Calley’s husband] spent last year’s anniversary of the national tragedy in Washington, D.C. There, a Pentagon official - assigned to Calley’s family as a liaison - gave Jensen his wife’s wedding ring, which had been recovered from the plane.”


http://web.archive.o...iew.asp?c=73724


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Edited by skyeagle409, 03 April 2013 - 05:57 AM.

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 06:35 AM

New York City Asks: What Happened to the 1,116 Missing 9/11 Victims?


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Now, more than 11 years later, the New York City government is finally acknowledging the mystery. In a memo to the 9/11 victims’ families, NYC official Casey Holloway announced that this Monday, April 1st, the city’s Chief Medical Examiner will begin sifting through 60 truckloads of World Trade Center construction debris at Fresh Kills Landfill on Staten Island. The city says it hopes to find remains of at least some of the 1,116 missing victims.

http://www.veteranst.../01/911victims/


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Posted 03 April 2013 - 06:41 AM

View Postpoppet, on 03 April 2013 - 06:35 AM, said:

New York City Asks: What Happened to the 1,116 Missing 9/11 Victims?


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Now, more than 11 years later, the New York City government is finally acknowledging the mystery. In a memo to the 9/11 victims’ families, NYC official Casey Holloway announced that this Monday, April 1st, the city’s Chief Medical Examiner will begin sifting through 60 truckloads of World Trade Center construction debris at Fresh Kills Landfill on Staten Island. The city says it hopes to find remains of at least some of the 1,116 missing victims.

http://www.veteranst.../01/911victims/
but you said a moment ago that it was virtually vaporised by this secret weapon, and there was hardly any debris?

Incidentally, I know it's a name probably going back to the days of New Amsterdam, but Fresh Kills sounds a bit... well, tasteless, doesn't it .... ?

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 05:29 PM

View PostColonel Rhuairidh, on 03 April 2013 - 06:41 AM, said:

but you said a moment ago that it was virtually vaporised by this secret weapon, and there was hardly any debris?

Incidentally, I know it's a name probably going back to the days of New Amsterdam, but Fresh Kills sounds a bit... well, tasteless, doesn't it .... ?

Only 60 truckloads ,how many truckloads of building material do you think it took to build two one hundred and ten story skyscrapers weighing in at half a million tons each ?


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Posted 03 April 2013 - 06:00 PM

Yes, in all our talk of weapons and death rays, high temperatures and unusual forms of cancer, we forget to discuss what has been known for a long time--many of the bodies were almost cremated.  Another indicator that jetfuel & gravity were very minor factors in the events of the day.

tp://tinyurl.com/c46dxso


Once again, more evidence surfaces that contradicts the Official Conspiracy Theory.


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Posted 03 April 2013 - 06:18 PM

View Postpoppet, on 03 April 2013 - 06:35 AM, said:

New York City Asks: What Happened to the 1,116 Missing 9/11 Victims?


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Now, more than 11 years later, the New York City government is finally acknowledging the mystery. In a memo to the 9/11 victims’ families, NYC official Casey Holloway announced that this Monday, April 1st, the city’s Chief Medical Examiner will begin sifting through 60 truckloads of World Trade Center construction debris at Fresh Kills Landfill on Staten Island. The city says it hopes to find remains of at least some of the 1,116 missing victims.

http://www.veteranst.../01/911victims/

They are not missing, their remains are mixed with debris.

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More 9/11 Human Remains Found At Ground Zero

June 22, 2010

Just two or so dump trucks filled with never-before sifted debris from Ground Zero have yielded 72 new fragments of human remains in an almost three-month operation that could bring closure to more families of victims of the September 11, 2001 World Trade Center terror attack.

Because of the size and condition of some of the remains the NYC Medical Examiner's office told ABC News there was a good chance of obtaining DNA samples that could lead to new IDs once DNA testing is completed. The remains of about 1,000 victims of the almost 3,000 killed at Ground Zero have still not been identified.

A memorandum summarizing the findings of the operation, in which 844 cubic yards of debris was forensically sifted, was released by New York City officials Tuesday. It stated that including the 72 new fragments, a total of 1845 potential human remains have now been located since 2006 and are at the Medical Examiner's Office and when possible will be subjected to DNA testing.


As of January 2010, the Medical Examiner's office had identified 1626 Ground Zero victims, or 59 percent of a reported 2,752 total. As of that date 21,744 remains had been recovered and 12,768, or 59 percent, had been identified.

Efforts to Identify Victims Continue


In the months after the attack, based on the condition of remains, the difficulty of recovery and the state of DNA testing a decade ago, some experts projected the total number of positive identifications to be closer to 25 percent. New York City Medical Examiner Charles Hirsch, himself slightly injured in the attack, promised at the time that he would do everything in his power to identify as many victims as possible.


"We hope to get to 2,000 [victims identified], and when we get there, we won't stop," Dr. Hirsch told Patrice O'SHAUGHNESSY of the New York Daily News in 2002, one day before the first anniversary of the attack. Hirsch spoke to her at his office at the city morgue, where, she noted, more than 50 file drawers labeled "RM DM," for Reported Missing/Disaster Manhattan, held information about the victims


http://abcnews.go.co...68#.UVxxJSqF_ww


You have posted another link that is spewing disinformation. For an example, it says;

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The absence of the 100,000 kilos of Boeing 757 airliner that supposedly buried itself in the soft earth beneath a shallow fifteen-foot-diameter crater in Shanksville, Pennsylvania. There is no evidence of 100,000 kilos of airliner debris, along with passenger remains and luggage, being recovered from beneath the ground at the alleged crash site.

Let's take another look at some of the evidence that was recovered from the crash site of United 93, which your link somehow overlooked.

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 06:24 PM

Sky

You had better call the authorities in NYC who issued that report.  Tell them that YOU know better than they do.  Tell them you are so doggone smart and informed that you should give them lessons on just what reports to issue and what not to issue.  :innocent:


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Posted 03 April 2013 - 06:44 PM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 03 April 2013 - 06:00 PM, said:

Yes, in all our talk of weapons and death rays, ...

Which burn through, not blow up.

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...high temperatures...

High enough to melt aluminum, but too low to melt steel.

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...and unusual forms of cancer,

Which was caused by hazardous materials at ground zero that had nothing to do with nukes.

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...we forget to discuss what has been known for a long time--many of the bodies were almost cremated.

Considering temperature of the fires, where's the mystery?

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