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#61    TheMcGuffin

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Posted 31 May 2012 - 03:33 PM

As for the A-10s dropping flares, one witness who always watched them and lived right under their flight path reported none of them taking off or landing at this time:

"One witness, who lives under the customary A-10 flight path, noted that no A-10s landed or took off around 10:00PM that night.  He knew this because he was in the habit of going outside whenever he heard the A-10s (to watch them land).  He states that he definitely heard no A-10s landing during the time of the sightings.  UFO researchers have filed FOIA requests with the US Air Force, requesting logs of departures and arrivals of A-10s during the night of March 13 - the USAF has yet to comply with their requests."


http://www.spartechs...oenixLights.htm


I've seen those planes in action in army, and I know what they look like and sound like, and how they fly in low to attack targets on the ground.  In my opinion, these planes do not account for what was being seen over Nevada and Arizona on the nights in question.

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Posted 31 May 2012 - 04:08 PM

WEll the plot thickens, I would venture to say that any time multi-people report sightings that are over three foot ball, Walmart store`s in size and make no sounds at all, other than the jets that enter the area soon after on a chase pattern ,just may need to be looked at a bit closer. JMO. :gun:

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Posted 01 June 2012 - 03:57 AM

View Postquillius, on 31 May 2012 - 09:51 AM, said:

Hey Psyche,

thats more cherry picking than I do :)

Gidday Mate :D

I am more than happy to discuss any example you find valid, but the overall picture I find is not a good one, more next...........

View Postquillius, on 31 May 2012 - 09:51 AM, said:

just to say the first quote about 8 hours has nothing to do with Pheonix lights......

I do however agree that a pinch of salt is needed with many aspects of these reports.

For example the dates the reports are posted are not in the same year which straight away leaves them open to attack. I also read one of them which states that (the site itself) adjusted a time as it was obviously entered incorrectly.....any editing again leaves them exposed to guys like you/Klass :)

The first example was not the Phoenix lights true, but it is not even a sighting. It seems to be some sort of confession, and quite possibly a fake one, which means the people who put that list together do not seem to be too concerned about what goes in it? The many examples I picked out at a glance showed major inconsistencies, and things like the 1 second sighting are just padding. As such, surely the entire page has to be taken with a pretty large grain of salt?
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View Postquillius, on 31 May 2012 - 09:51 AM, said:

There is a very good site which Mcrom once provided, sadly my filing of all research to date is rather poor and I am struggling to find it.

I will keep looking and will post more soon.

I seem to be spending most of my time trawling through lots of ***** but hopefully will find the nuggets that I am sure exist.

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Yep, that's the net unfortunately. So many people have access to it and can put up any rubbish that it is getting harder and harder to find original documents I find. But good luck with it! Persistance is certainly the key. Mcrom has a way with coming up with some quite snazzy links, I have not noticed him around of late, which is a shame. I quite like mcrom.

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Posted 01 June 2012 - 05:08 AM

Rather than list the posts, they are all excellent so I will just address a couple of point in general.

1 - There was  other UFO sightings that night. - I believe this is true, however, there were also other training exercises that night. For one a Helicopter training exercise was happening South of Phoenix I believe the left Phoenix about 7:30PM according to Tim Printy

2 - Mitch Stanley's sighting is corroborated by a Rich Contry

3 - The USAF cannot comply with the request for logs, ths information can be found in the CAF and Visitors log at Tuscon, which is how the confusion began, the wrong logs were checked, and of course there was no entry

4 - The planes were not low to the ground when the "puked" out the flares, one report puts them at 19,000 feet, as far as I know, most estimates range from 15 to 19 thousand feet

5 - If an unknown craft was in the air, why was no interceptors sent up to investigate like Belgium? The USAF is required to investigate threats to airspace, i.e. unknown craft


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Posted 01 June 2012 - 10:53 AM

View Postpsyche101, on 01 June 2012 - 05:08 AM, said:

Rather than list the posts, they are all excellent so I will just address a couple of point in general.

1 - There was  other UFO sightings that night. - I believe this is true, however, there were also other training exercises that night. For one a Helicopter training exercise was happening South of Phoenix I believe the left Phoenix about 7:30PM according to Tim Printy

2 - Mitch Stanley's sighting is corroborated by a Rich Contry

3 - The USAF cannot comply with the request for logs, ths information can be found in the CAF and Visitors log at Tuscon, which is how the confusion began, the wrong logs were checked, and of course there was no entry

4 - The planes were not low to the ground when the "puked" out the flares, one report puts them at 19,000 feet, as far as I know, most estimates range from 15 to 19 thousand feet

5 - If an unknown craft was in the air, why was no interceptors sent up to investigate like Belgium? The USAF is required to investigate threats to airspace, i.e. unknown craft


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Its very simple psyche101 The Lights over Phoenix that night were as in all night time sightings, Lights in the sky I spy with our little eye`s all attached to the human brain of vast imagination,and strain ! When the brain  is strained,and the Light is slight, there will always be a fight in which point of view is right !
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Posted 01 June 2012 - 12:48 PM

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Posted 04 June 2012 - 04:44 AM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 01 June 2012 - 12:48 PM, said:

You're a poet Don, but don't know it! :tu:

I think he knows it, and he's bloody good at it too!


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Posted 05 June 2012 - 08:44 PM

Too funny psyche101 THis is why we know theres Aliens on this earth ! Just listen to me or Look at that !

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