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#16    Simbi Laveau

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Posted 25 August 2012 - 04:57 AM

View PostLegaia, on 25 August 2012 - 04:41 AM, said:



China is certainly the proverbial wild card here because of their economic situation. In a hypothetical war between Japan and China, I honestly can't predict what the U.S. and its buddies would do in terms of sides. Scary stuff, indeed!
Japan is considered one of our closest allies,next to the UK,and then Israel .We would have to get involved,is my guess.
Our general relation with China are ok,and much stronger than they are with Korea ,but China is now the other super power,not Russia .
Given my inclinations ,this is very disconcerting for me,overall .

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Posted 25 August 2012 - 05:05 AM

View PostSimbi Laveau, on 25 August 2012 - 04:57 AM, said:

Japan is considered one of our closest allies,next to the UK,and then Israel .We would have to get involved,is my guess.
Our general relation with China are ok,and much stronger than they are with Korea ,but China is now the other super power,not Russia .
Given my inclinations ,this is very disconcerting for me,overall .

Yes but the U.S. is so far in debt with China, and even if we weren't, our economies are so closely linked that it probably would only take a couple sanctions from China to change the U.S.'s mind. The same can be said about the Japanese and American economies, but nowhere near the extent of U.S. and China.


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Posted 25 August 2012 - 05:10 AM

View PostLegaia, on 25 August 2012 - 05:05 AM, said:

Yes but the U.S. is so far in debt with China, and even if we weren't, our economies are so closely linked that it probably would only take a couple sanctions from China to change the U.S.'s mind. The same can be said about the Japanese and American economies, but nowhere near the extent of U.S. and China.

Well I think that China is the country that is on the edge. hey need to make 250K jobs a month, or something like that, just to stay even and a repressed world economy means less demand which means the razor edge balance in China starts to tip.

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Posted 25 August 2012 - 05:35 PM

Man seems like China is having territorial issues with just about all their neighbours.

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Posted 26 August 2012 - 12:50 AM

View PostCorp, on 25 August 2012 - 05:35 PM, said:

Man seems like China is having territorial issues with just about all their neighbours.

Pretty much .So soon everyone forgets Taiwan ,and Tibet is still terrorized .

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Posted 26 August 2012 - 12:52 AM

View PostLegaia, on 25 August 2012 - 05:05 AM, said:



Yes but the U.S. is so far in debt with China, and even if we weren't, our economies are so closely linked that it probably would only take a couple sanctions from China to change the U.S.'s mind. The same can be said about the Japanese and American economies, but nowhere near the extent of U.S. and China.
We won't let them attack Japan . Never happen . Our ties with Japan go far deeper .

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Posted 26 August 2012 - 01:22 AM

View PostSimbi Laveau, on 26 August 2012 - 12:52 AM, said:

We won't let them attack Japan . Never happen . Our ties with Japan go far deeper .
Yes, because what America needs is to get involved in a shooting war with the largest airforce in the world.


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Posted 26 August 2012 - 01:27 AM

View PostWearer of Hats, on 26 August 2012 - 01:22 AM, said:

Yes, because what America needs is to get involved in a shooting war with the largest airforce in the world.
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Chinese military doesn't come close to matching the US.  That said, a shooting war would not be good for the world.

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Posted 26 August 2012 - 01:52 AM

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Chinese military doesn't come close to matching the US.  That said, a shooting war would not be good for the world.
What everyone overlooks,is the chinese army is heavily trained i hand to hand combat.They also outnumber us by millions .
They would turn it into an on land face to face confrontation,and we would lose .,badly .
And its fool hardy to just say,..oh. gee,one of our biggest allies,gosh ,let another country attack them .No problem .



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Posted 26 August 2012 - 02:00 AM

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What everyone overlooks,is the chinese army is heavily trained i hand to hand combat.They also outnumber us by millions .
They would turn it into an on land face to face confrontation,and we would lose .,badly .
And its fool hardy to just say,..oh. gee,one of our biggest allies,gosh ,let another country attack them .No problem .

I don't see an invasion of chinese mainland, sea war is most likely and repulsing a chinese invasion of Taiwan.

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Posted 26 August 2012 - 02:05 AM

View PostMerc14, on 26 August 2012 - 02:00 AM, said:



I don't see an invasion of chinese mainland, sea war is most likely and repulsing a chinese invasion of Taiwan.
Possibly ,and I never meant we invade mainland China. I would see them trying to land on American shores first .


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Posted 26 August 2012 - 02:07 AM

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Posted 26 August 2012 - 02:08 AM

View PostSimbi Laveau, on 26 August 2012 - 02:05 AM, said:

Possibly ,and I never meant we invade mainland China. I would see them trying to land on American shores first .


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Our Navy is so far superior in all respects that it would be a suicide mission.

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Posted 26 August 2012 - 02:32 AM

View PostMerc14, on 26 August 2012 - 02:08 AM, said:

Our Navy is so far superior in all respects that it would be a suicide mission.

All it would take is for another Pearl Harbour type attack then there is no US navy for them to worry about

It's not all about superiority, it is also about tactics and the will to win

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Posted 26 August 2012 - 02:57 AM

View PostJackofalltrades, on 26 August 2012 - 02:32 AM, said:

All it would take is for another Pearl Harbour type attack then there is no US navy for them to worry about

It's not all about superiority, it is also about tactics and the will to win

Agreed but this isn't 1941.

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