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#106    joc

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 02:25 PM

View Postkeninsc, on 03 January 2013 - 01:56 PM, said:

Wow, and that's really sad.

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Sad?  I wouldn't go that far...but you know, I could be wrong, like I said...all the science I don't understand.  But guess what...all the science...THEY don't really understand either.
I will just say this:  all anyone has done is say I am wrong...and quoted things like Black Holes prove it...  until I see some proof that makes sense to me...I don't buy it...you call that sad...I call that...thought process.
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...and much of thought process =  research
...this makes sense to me...and so I will default to 'I could be wrong'...

There was one exception to all the success of Newton's theory. For years before Einstein wrote down his equations, astronomers had known that the details of Mercury's orbit didn't perfectly match Newton's predictions. The difference was small, but clearly present. Mercury is the planet closest to the Sun. This combines a large mass (the Sun's) with small distances, which is one situation where Einstein's equations are not the same as Newton's. The very first thing Einstein did after discovering his equations was to solve them for the orbit of Mercury. He picked out the detail that Newton's theory couldn't account for, and saw that his own theory predicted it correctly. This was the first trial, and first success of Einstein's theory. He had shown that Newton was very nearly right much of the time, but wrong in the most extreme cases.
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Posted 03 January 2013 - 03:44 PM

Mine was a serious question - those who support time travel...can you explain this to me?

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 04:08 PM

This is wayyyyy off topic but I thought I could share this with you guys

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 04:28 PM

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Unless the idea is that there are an infinite number of "me" for every second (or less) of time that has passed then wouldn't there be nothing to travel back to?

I think there are, not an infinite number, but lots of 'you's, each in every interval of time that has passed and will pass, each 'frozen' in their moment of spacetime. I know this sounds odd and improbable.

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Eternalism is a philosophical approach to the ontological nature of time, which takes the view that all points in time are equally "real", as opposed to the presentist idea that only the present is real.[1] Modern advocates often take inspiration from the way time is modeled as a dimension in the theory of relativity, giving time a similar ontology to that of space . This would mean that time is just another dimension, that future events are "already there", and that there is no objective flow of time. It is sometimes referred to as the "block time" or "block universe" theory due to its description of space-time as an unchanging four-dimensional "block",[2] as opposed to the view of the world as a three-dimensional space modulated by the passage of time.
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This appeals to me because it has a basis in accepted scientific theory, and because I like it, I suppose. :)  I think our feeling of the passing of time is psychological or consciousness based. I don't know how this happens, but our consciousness is odd and mysterious, as well, and is an aspect of the physics of the construction of the universe as is space and time and everything else.

If all this is true, maybe a time travel machine would be our consciousness itself. Certain related psychic phenomena may be our consciousness traveling to the past or future by mistake. Sort of an error in the usual forward in time movement of our conscious awareness.

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 04:37 PM

View PostHerNibs, on 03 January 2013 - 02:04 PM, said:

I've always had issues with time travel for a reason that may be simply explained...

IF an individual managed to go back even five minutes in time...what would actually be there?  I (and everyone/everything else) has moved forward through time.  Even the smallest grain of sand has "moved" forward in time.  So, what would be "five minutes ago"?  

Unless the idea is that there are an infinite number of "me" for every second (or less) of time that has passed then wouldn't there be nothing to travel back to?  

Let me know if this isn't clear.

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More importantly, where would you be? We're hurtling through the universe at unimaginable speeds. If I went back in time 5 minutes to the same point in space, I wouldn't be on earth anymore.

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 04:38 PM

View PostEmma_Acid, on 03 January 2013 - 04:37 PM, said:

More importantly, where would you be? We're hurtling through the universe at unimaginable speeds. If I went back in time 5 minutes to the same point in space, I wouldn't be on earth anymore.

Yup.  Nothing there other than the langoliers.

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 04:48 PM

View PostHerNibs, on 03 January 2013 - 02:04 PM, said:

I've always had issues with time travel for a reason that may be simply explained...

IF an individual managed to go back even five minutes in time...what would actually be there?  I (and everyone/everything else) has moved forward through time.  Even the smallest grain of sand has "moved" forward in time.  So, what would be "five minutes ago"?  

Unless the idea is that there are an infinite number of "me" for every second (or less) of time that has passed then wouldn't there be nothing to travel back to?  

Let me know if this isn't clear.

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Ok Nibs.......I see why you have trouble with time travel or the concept of time travel now.

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 04:49 PM

View Postkeninsc, on 03 January 2013 - 04:48 PM, said:

Ok Nibs.......I see why you have trouble with time travel or the concept of time travel now.

^_^

so what would be the answer?

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 05:14 PM

View PostHerNibs, on 03 January 2013 - 04:49 PM, said:

so what would be the answer?

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We don't have one.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 07:19 AM

I need to try again posting a link or the video I wanted to share....

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 08:34 PM

View Postkeninsc, on 30 December 2012 - 04:14 AM, said:

I'm curious what your reasoning is on that? To the past would be more likely since it's already happened, it's the future that hasn't happened yet. How can you go to a place that doesn't exist yet?

Just curious.

Special theory of relativity states that if we could travel in the speed of light © or very near to it (which is physically impossible), time would pass slow to us relative to someone who isn't travelling at similar speed or is stationary at earth. Hypothetically, when one twin comes back after journeying through space at speed c, he would see time being passed on earth much more slowly, and as such his other half would be aged less than him. This is considered to be some form of travelling to the future, though I am not sure if I can call it that.

Currently there's no model in physics that says anything about time travel to the past.

I am probably very wrong though.

These are all hypothetical of course. I don’t think we can discuss much about time travel unless we get to understand the concept of time better.

Edited by Blood_Sacrifice, 04 January 2013 - 08:42 PM.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 08:58 PM

View PostHerNibs, on 03 January 2013 - 02:04 PM, said:

I've always had issues with time travel for a reason that may be simply explained...

IF an individual managed to go back even five minutes in time...what would actually be there?  I (and everyone/everything else) has moved forward through time.  Even the smallest grain of sand has "moved" forward in time.  So, what would be "five minutes ago"?  

Unless the idea is that there are an infinite number of "me" for every second (or less) of time that has passed then wouldn't there be nothing to travel back to?  

Let me know if this isn't clear.

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If there are parallel universes, you would come back to that particular point in space-time, from where another universe would branch off. Let's say space-time went in the direction A -> B -> C -> D. You go back to point B and which in turns lead to E and then F and so on (causing a new timeline with new sets of circumstance).
Or else, you could become a third person who would be able to witness himsef in the "past" moment where you have gone.

Those are really the only two options I can see. Erm....I don't understand really. :unsure2:

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 09:00 PM

View PostBlood_Sacrifice, on 04 January 2013 - 08:58 PM, said:

If there are parallel universes, you would come back to that particular point in space-time, from where another universe would branch off. Let's say space-time went in the direction A -> B -> C -> D. You go back to point B and which in turns lead to E and then F and so on (causing a new timeline with new sets of circumstance).
Or else, you could become a third person who would be able to witness himsef in the "past" moment where you have gone.

Those are really the only two options I can see. Erm....I don't understand really. :unsure2:

:)  Hurts the noggin doesn't it?

BUT according to your idea an individual couldn't go back into their own (original) time line and change the future.  It would change the future of E or F.

So NOW "Back to the Future" is nothing but plot holes.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 09:30 PM

That the thing with time travel, it's all speculation. There's theories that say the timeline is a fragile as a frozen spider's web and others that think it's much more robust. Could you go back and change the past significantly? Sure, but in so doing you change what the past became, which is the present, which is where we all live.

Much like the lottery scenario I mention before, in that case the change is really very small......relatively speaking (please forgive the Albert pun, I can't help myself). However, go back and give Hitler the technology to make the A-bomb first, or Stalin? That's an even scarier thought really. Kill Hitler during WWI, Kill Stalin. My guess is many of these things we experienced might well have happened but under different people. Personally, I think WWI was inevitable, however WWII might not have happened had Hitler not come to power, but who can say really. I would submit that no one can know for sure how an alternate future might play out, so it's always going to be best to not allow any changes.

Now, having said that, I see no reason that a traveler couldn't go back and simply observe. Yeah, they'd have to make sure they didn't mess up the event, but simply observing? I don't see the problem.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 09:32 PM

View Postkeninsc, on 04 January 2013 - 09:30 PM, said:

That the thing with time travel, it's all speculation. There's theories that say the timeline is a fragile as a frozen spider's web and others that think it's much more robust. Could you go back and change the past significantly? Sure, but in so doing you change what the past became, which is the present, which is where we all live.

Much like the lottery scenario I mention before, in that case the change is really very small......relatively speaking (please forgive the Albert pun, I can't help myself). However, go back and give Hitler the technology to make the A-bomb first, or Stalin? That's an even scarier thought really. Kill Hitler during WWI, Kill Stalin. My guess is many of these things we experienced might well have happened but under different people. Personally, I think WWI was inevitable, however WWII might not have happened had Hitler not come to power, but who can say really. I would submit that no one can know for sure how an alternate future might play out, so it's always going to be best to not allow any changes.

Now, having said that, I see no reason that a traveler couldn't go back and simply observe. Yeah, they'd have to make sure they didn't mess up the event, but simply observing? I don't see the problem.

Well, right there is my confusion.  :)  Observe WHAT?  Everything that was "there" at a particular point in time has moved forward in time/space.

There is no "there" to go to and nothing to observe unless I'm leaving an infinite number of Xerox copies of myself behind me every nanosecond.

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