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[questionmark]

Donald Trump's vow to round up and deport all of America's undocumented immigrants if he is elected president could shrink the economy by around 2 percent, according to a study to be released on Thursday by conservative think tank the American Action Forum.

The research adds to concerns about the Republican White House nominee's policy proposals, which range from tearing up international trade agreements to building a wall along the U.S. border with Mexico.

About 6.8 million of the more than 11 million immigrants living in the United States illegally are employed, according to government statistics. Removing them would cause a slump of $381.5 billion to $623.2 billion in private sector output, the Washington-based non-profit said in its analysis.

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[Lilly]

Mr Trump isn't going to round up millions for deportation (that's just election rhetoric). He may, however, deport those scooped up by law enforcement that are criminals. Trump has also said he wants to "keep the good people". And, this "Mexico will pay for the wall" stuff will really come down to the US getting a better deal in trade with Mexico, that money will "pay for the wall". Basically, most of Trump's *claims* are designed to play into the emotions of the voters...and it has been working to an extent. If Mr Trump can continue to play this psychological game to his advantage in the general election has yet to be seen.

[questionmark]

Mr Trump isn't going to round up millions for deportation (that's just election rhetoric). He may, however, deport those scooped up by law enforcement that are criminals. Trump has also said he wants to "keep the good people". And, this "Mexico will pay for the wall" stuff will really come down to the US getting a better deal in trade with Mexico, that money will "pay for the wall". Basically, most of Trump's *claims* are designed to play into the emotions of the voters...and it has been working to an extent. If Mr Trump can continue to play this psychological game to his advantage in the general election has yet to be seen.

That is being done now already (in fact even with legal emigrants), so nothing changes.

Edited May 5, 2016 by questionmark

[Duke Wellington]

What would be the decrease in social security spending, border patrol and criminal justice system?

[Lilly]

That is being done now already (in fact even with legal emigrants), so nothing changes.

Actually, it's not being done now. Criminals have various loopholes (not to mention being detained for costly trials). Take a look at this example: http://nypost.com/2016/03/06/why-new-york-refuses-to-give-up-criminals-for-deportation/

I'm not sure what (if anything) Mr Trump has in mind to correct this but it certainly needs some correcting IMO.

[questionmark]

Actually, it's not being done now. Criminals have various loopholes (not to mention being detained for costly trials). Take a look at this example: http://nypost.com/20...or-deportation/

I'm not sure what (if anything) Mr Trump has in mind to correct this but it certainly needs some correcting IMO.

Mr. Trump cannot change the law, and the law requires a criminal to stand trial... no matter how costly.

What would be the decrease in social security spending, border patrol and criminal justice system?

Nowhere near a trillion.

[Dredimus]

Mr. Trump cannot change the law, and the law requires a criminal to stand trial... no matter how costly.

Nowhere near a trillion.

This is what we would like to think.. .this is how our system SHOULD work... but its not working that way currently... Sadly. I can't count the times Ive seen illegals let go after small crimes due to the fact that it would cost tax payers so much money to go through the process only to have said illegal deported and then come back across the border, again... illegally.

This link goes in to it a little bit... its a scary situation to be honest.

^{ICE releases 19,723 criminal illegals, 208 convicted of murder, 900 of sex crimes}

^^ That was in 2015. In 2013 it was nearly 36,000 and in 2014 it was over 30,000. In order to process them and deport them we have to have cooperation from their home governments to some extent and this doesnt happen as much as it needs to. Those convicted of violent crimes in their own countries are rarely welcomed back... this creates an endless loop of them coming back in to the US and the US Court systems having no idea how to handle them. You lump that on top of ICE not being allowed to do their jobs... as well as states (I.E... .Arizona) not being allowed to do what needs to be done.. .and then being sued by the federal government for enforcing the laws... it all ads up to one big poop storm of confusion and criminals being let go. Our Policies have failed... our laws are not enforced... and we are weaker for it.

Keep in mind that the number above just reflects ICE units... not Local, State or other Federal Agencies... once you start delving in to those numbers, it becomes a bit mind boggling...

Edited May 5, 2016 by Dredimus

[RavenHawk]

That is being done now already (in fact even with legal emigrants), so nothing changes.

Really? I have two words (actually names): Kate Steinle.

https://pjmedia.com/jchristianadams/2015/7/23/alien-crime-wave-in-texas-611234-crimes-2993-murders/

Where have all the deportations gone, long time passing?

Where have all the deportations gone, long time ago?

Where have all the deportations gone?

Young illegals have murdered them everyone.

Oh, when will they ever learn?

Oh, when will they ever learn?

[RavenHawk]

Mr Trump isn't going to round up millions for deportation (that's just election rhetoric). He may, however, deport those scooped up by law enforcement that are criminals. Trump has also said he wants to "keep the good people". And, this "Mexico will pay for the wall" stuff will really come down to the US getting a better deal in trade with Mexico, that money will "pay for the wall". Basically, most of Trump's *claims* are designed to play into the emotions of the voters...and it has been working to an extent. If Mr Trump can continue to play this psychological game to his advantage in the general election has yet to be seen.

Precisely. I’m surprised that more people haven’t caught on to Trumps style – The Art of the Deal. You always ask for more than you want or expect. He’s not going to round them all up but that sets the stage – the intention. What will actually happen, will be an end to things like ‘catch and release’. If you are caught then you get deported. OK, so you get due process. While waiting for that, your ar$e is put to work building the wall and when not doing that, you’re kept in a work camp. This kind of environment and establishing that longtime resident illegals (including *dream children*) will not be sent to work camps if they register will probably encourage illegals to come out of the woodwork. It is clear that some form of amnesty is needed. Something that is one time and will not affect legal immigration. It might have to cut those numbers down for a while. Once the requirements for amnesty have been established which will include heavy fines or punishment, any illegals caught from that point on are deported PERIOD! The border will be closed.

[ellapenella]

Mr Trump isn't going to round up millions for deportation (that's just election rhetoric). He may, however, deport those scooped up by law enforcement that are criminals. Trump has also said he wants to "keep the good people". And, this "Mexico will pay for the wall" stuff will really come down to the US getting a better deal in trade with Mexico, that money will "pay for the wall". Basically, most of Trump's *claims* are designed to play into the emotions of the voters...and it has been working to an extent. If Mr Trump can continue to play this psychological game to his advantage in the general election has yet to be seen.

Snip. nvm Lilly. I get what you mean.

ETA - I just sometimes sense that people think he's just playing everyone & that he doesn't really believe in what he's fighting for.

Edited May 5, 2016 by Ellapennella

[ellapenella]

Precisely. I'm surprised that more people haven't caught on to Trumps style – The Art of the Deal. You always ask for more than you want or expect. He's not going to round them all up but that sets the stage – the intention. What will actually happen, will be an end to things like 'catch and release'. If you are caught then you get deported. OK, so you get due process. While waiting for that, your ar$e is put to work building the wall and when not doing that, you're kept in a work camp. This kind of environment and establishing that longtime resident illegals (including *dream children*) will not be sent to work camps if they register will probably encourage illegals to come out of the woodwork. It is clear that some form of amnesty is needed. Something that is one time and will not affect legal immigration. It might have to cut those numbers down for a while. Once the requirements for amnesty have been established which will include heavy fines or punishment, any illegals caught from that point on are deported PERIOD! The border will be closed.

Thank goodness he's a master in the art of the deal, we need that fighting on our side. Not the left side not the right just the American side, for America.

[ellapenella]

Precisely. I'm surprised that more people haven't caught on to Trumps style – The Art of the Deal. You always ask for more than you want or expect. He's not going to round them all up but that sets the stage – the intention. What will actually happen, will be an end to things like 'catch and release'. If you are caught then you get deported. OK, so you get due process. While waiting for that, your ar$e is put to work building the wall and when not doing that, you're kept in a work camp. This kind of environment and establishing that longtime resident illegals (including *dream children*) will not be sent to work camps if they register will probably encourage illegals to come out of the woodwork. It is clear that some form of amnesty is needed. Something that is one time and will not affect legal immigration. It might have to cut those numbers down for a while. Once the requirements for amnesty have been established which will include heavy fines or punishment, any illegals caught from that point on are deported PERIOD! The border will be closed.

You're funny Ravenhawk & brilliant too ... "While waiting for that, your ar$e is put to work building the wall and when not doing that, you're kept in a work camp."

[RavenHawk]

You're funny Ravenhawk & brilliant too ... "While waiting for that, your ar$e is put to work building the wall and when not doing that, you're kept in a work camp."

That’s one way to get the money out of Mexico. If Mexico doesn’t like that then they need to tell their people to return home.

[Gromdor]

We could set up the camps Walmarts and have the army round them up in an exercise called "Jaded Helmet"!

[RavenHawk]

We could set up the camps Walmarts and have the army round them up in an exercise called "Jaded Helmet"!

That was yesterday…

[Duke Wellington]

Mr. Trump cannot change the law, and the law requires a criminal to stand trial... no matter how costly.

Nowhere near a trillion.

I find it remarkable that 6.8 million people generate half a trillion let alone a trillion dollars to US GDP.

So remarkable I suggest you check the source of your figures as they seem a little wild.

Edited May 5, 2016 by RabidMongoose

[questionmark]

I find it remarkable that 6.8 million people generate half a trillion let alone a trillion dollars to US GDP.

So remarkable I suggest you check the source of your figures as they seem a little wild.

The point there is: most of those 6.8 million people, basically being poor, pour all their earnings directly back into the economy. So that figure includes the business they generate besides the work they do. And then the numbers fit quite well.

But in Britain you will learn that too... as soon as you are out of the EU and managed to kick out or alienate the last foreign worker.

[Gingitsune]

You'd have illegal Mexican building a wall to fence the Mexican border...?

Don't be surprise to wake up one day learning they made part of the wall weak to create their own "tunnel in the wall".

[Duke Wellington]

The point there is: most of those 6.8 million people, basically being poor, pour all their earnings directly back into the economy. So that figure includes the business they generate besides the work they do. And then the numbers fit quite well.

But in Britain you will learn that too... as soon as you are out of the EU and managed to kick out or alienate the last foreign worker.

The US GDP is $15 trillion for 320 million people so your figures for a mere 6.8 million people generating up to $1 trillion seem totally wild. Where is the exact figures they generate? Not speculation, not speculation coming from a biased source promoting immigration, but cold hard objective data?

The EU limits what Britain can do but helps us reach that limit. So if we dont get our act together we could do worse but if we do then we could do better. One fallacy is the idea that EU workers contribute significant amounts of tax to the UK economy. While some are business owners or professional class people most are just workers.

And I have nothing against giving the ones who do contribute significant amounts of tax citizenship. The other 95% can go back along with working class economic migrants from Africa and Asia too. Immigration is for helping people whose survival and well-being is under threat not mopping up after the failed economic policies of foreign governments.

[ninjadude]

Mr Trump isn't going to round up millions for deportation (that's just election rhetoric). He may, however, deport those scooped up by law enforcement that are criminals. Trump has also said he wants to "keep the good people". And, this "Mexico will pay for the wall" stuff will really come down to the US getting a better deal in trade with Mexico, that money will "pay for the wall". Basically, most of Trump's *claims* are designed to play into the emotions of the voters...and it has been working to an extent. If Mr Trump can continue to play this psychological game to his advantage in the general election has yet to be seen.

Wow. There is some major spin. Maybe he could just not lie then.

[aztek]

Bernie Sanders' economic plan would add $18T in debt.

Sanders’ economic plan piles $18T on federal debt