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Wearer of Hats, on 20 January 2013 - 11:37 PM, said:

We've just seen pictures of Washington bedecked in flags etc.
Umm is this pomp usual for an inauguration? Because our reaction here is something to the tune of "deutchland deutchland ich bin ober alles"

Here's one of the Bush inaugurations:



So, basically - Yes.

[Yamato]

Nationalism and religiosity, the banes of common sense.

[AsteroidX]

They shouldnt be allowed to fly the 13 star flag as they dont care about the Constituion it was founded on.

[supervike]

-Mr_Fess-, on 21 January 2013 - 02:02 AM, said:

Yea Ok, I'd love to. The election results are one way to look at the divide. He had a victory but it wasn't crushing, it was average. 7 million votes sounds like a lot but out of around 110 million voters representing 310 million citizens it's only a slight majority. After four years a president who is a good, no wait you said great, leader gains support. If he was great he'd have had an electoral and popular blowout like FDR or Reagan to name a couple. Both sides lost a few million votes since 2008, they certainly didn't gain any. Washington sucks and many people said screw it this election. Great leadership historically sways the nation. His policies don't gain support either. He is scornful and divisive towards anyone who disagrees with him. He uses rhetoric carefully and by design to get one group of people angry against another. He flat out said he wants to fundamentally transform the nation when a true American leader would say we need a fundamental restoration instead. Blame which ever side you want for anything you like but real leadership can bring opposition together. Real leadership doesn't publicly scorn the representation of nearly half the country. Real leaders handle that sht behind closed doors like professionals and keep the people calm yet he does the complete opposite. You scour these forums. Do you see unity?

So the only way to have a nation 'undivided' is by having a landslide victory?

What a completly un-American position to take.

The reason we don't see unity is that the is a faction of this country that is blinded by the hatred of the opposing political party.  So, they will believe any sort of non-sense the Internet offers up as fact.  How many threads are on here started by people that didn't even bother to do a little research to see if their 'facts' are even close to being true?  No, there is just a constant stream of unfounded facts that gets everyone riled up.

I don't have any sort of love for Obama, but I truly believe that he is our lawfully elected President and deserves respect for him, and his office.

I've no problem disagreeing with something he may say or do, especially if there is some sort of basis in fact....but the name calling, misleading, smearing campaign is disgusting.  And quite frankly, I think it only shows a common thread of complete ignorance on the part of the name caller.

Before you point back at how the Libs did that very thing about Bush, I have to tell you that I hated it then as well.  The maturity of what should be civil discourse on most forums is laughable, pathetic, and quite alarming.

[AsteroidX]

The problem is bigger then the President. He is just adding to the problem.

[Corp]

Good for him. Hopefully he'll be able to work on getting the US on more economically stable ground. Time will tell if this term will be better or worst than his last.

[supervike]

Corp, on 21 January 2013 - 07:11 PM, said:

Good for him. Hopefully he'll be able to work on getting the US on more economically stable ground. Time will tell if this term will be better or worst than his last.

Of course by then it will be too late.  We won't have Freedom of Speech, No guns, and we'll all be worshipping the Great and Powerful Allah.

[F3SS]

supervike, on 21 January 2013 - 06:49 PM, said:

So the only way to have a nation 'undivided' is by having a landslide victory?

Not at all but seriously man the divide is strict. There isn't many people pleased with both sides. It's one, the other or none.

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The reason we don't see unity

So you do see it that way.

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is that the is a faction of this country that is blinded by the hatred of the opposing political party.

No you're wrong. It isn't just one 'faction' The discourse and distrust is a two way street. It does not belong to one side.

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So, they will believe any sort of non-sense the Internet offers up as fact.  How many threads are on here started by people that didn't even bother to do a little research to see if their 'facts' are even close to being true?  No, there is just a constant stream of unfounded facts that gets everyone riled up.

True again but that also doesn't belong to one side.

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but the name calling, misleading, smearing campaign is disgusting.  And quite frankly, I think it only shows a common thread of complete ignorance on the part of the name caller.

Am I misunderstanding you? Again it sounds like you're pinning this on one side.

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Before you point back at how the Libs did that very thing about Bush, I have to tell you that I hated it then as well.  The maturity of what should be civil discourse on most forums is laughable, pathetic, and quite alarming.

I agree. Because 'they did it' doesn't mean it's ok for 'them' to do it. But you really come across as if the only problem these days is on the right.

[supervike]

-Mr_Fess-, on 21 January 2013 - 08:00 PM, said:

I agree. Because 'they did it' doesn't mean it's ok for 'them' to do it. But you really come across as if the only problem these days is on the right.

My problem isn't with 'the right'.  My problem is with the non-stop diatribes of people that have no clue what they are talking about, yet seem to be able to pin every slight at the feet of the President.

If Mr. Romney would have won, my problem would still be the same.  But, the current attacks against the president go far past the norm.  I don't know how you can see them and not be affected.

[RavenHawk]

supervike, on 21 January 2013 - 06:49 PM, said:

So the only way to have a nation 'undivided' is by having a landslide victory?

Not at all.  You need someone who is less divisive.  We need a communicator and not a community organizer.

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The reason we don't see unity is that the is a faction of this country that is blinded by the hatred of the opposing political party.

Actually, it goes both ways.  The one thing that is important is that you can't compromise with Socialism.  However, at the moment the GOP just caves.  But this nation cannot long endure half free and half slave.

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No, there is just a constant stream of unfounded facts that gets everyone riled up.

How 'bout his record?  I would say those are very founded facts.

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I don't have any sort of love for Obama, but I truly believe that he is our lawfully elected President and deserves respect for him, and his office.

You're at least partially right.  He is our lawfully elected President but because of that, shows the lack of respect that the people have for the office.

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I've no problem disagreeing with something he may say or do, especially if there is some sort of basis in fact....

Well, Hel-lo??

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but the name calling, misleading, smearing campaign is disgusting.  And quite frankly, I think it only shows a common thread of complete ignorance on the part of the name caller.

It's not ignorance on the name caller.  It's the frustration the name caller has for the ignorance of those that voted Obama in.

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Before you point back at how the Libs did that very thing about Bush, I have to tell you that I hated it then as well.

Isn't that nice.  If you think that the name calling of Obama is worse than what was shown Bush, you are in a fantasy world.  The Socialists dug this hole and Obama is doing nothing to mend it.

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  The maturity of what should be civil discourse on most forums is laughable, pathetic, and quite alarming.

Welcome to the jungle.  Who says it should be civil?  You can't Socialize the internet.  You can only pretend to apply rules.  When something needs to be said a certain way, it will eventually be said.  The internet is the ultimate of the individual.  Therein lies the maturity.  "Don't start nothing and there won't be nothing."

[F3SS]

supervike, on 21 January 2013 - 08:21 PM, said:

My problem isn't with 'the right'.  My problem is with the non-stop diatribes of people that have no clue what they are talking about, yet seem to be able to pin every slight at the feet of the President.

If Mr. Romney would have won, my problem would still be the same.  But, the current attacks against the president go far past the norm.  I don't know how you can see them and not be affected.

Well I'm not affected so much because I entirely distrust the POTUS. I don't believe him, believe in him or believe in his vision. I'm not one to spread lies intentionally. Sure I've probably been wrapped up in a few but I don't stick around if it gets too carried away and I'll stand down if I'm wrong. If I'm speaking of something it's because I believe it. Like this gun fiasco for instance. I'm not crying that they're going to take all of our guns away but I don't believe for a second that they don't want to. You'll say its stupid to complain about something that isn't going to happen but on the flip side if nobody complained I don't believe for an instant that guns would not be banned. They'd yank em from us in a heartbeat if we didn't speak up. Why wouldn't they? There is great contempt for the founding principals of this country within this administration and a large bulk of the left. It's who I am, it's what I think and if that means we remain a nation divided then so be it because I'm not going to be complacent with views I disagree with. You can cram that majority talk. That doesn't mean sit back and shut up. My general demeanor in life is to get along and I agree with you that it's volatile when it comes to politics but most of us are going to fall towards one side or the other and I'm just too concerned not to voice my opinion. I know it doesn't help the discourse but that's just how it is.

[AsteroidX]

The maturity and civility went out the window when the Constitution became involved and Taxation without representation became the norm. Last hour Backroom deals aside.

[RavenHawk]

supervike, on 21 January 2013 - 08:21 PM, said:

My problem isn't with 'the right'.  My problem is with the non-stop diatribes of people that have no clue what they are talking about, yet seem to be able to pin every slight at the feet of the President.

How 'bout the multitude of people that knows what they are talking about and are able to place blame where it belongs?  No, it's not all the Socialists but they have the lion's share.  Obama just today said that he can no longer pin anything on Bush.  We pasted that point long ago.  Can we hold him to that?

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If Mr. Romney would have won, my problem would still be the same.  But, the current attacks against the president go far past the norm.  I don't know how you can see them and not be affected.

Well again, that would not have been a problem if the Socialists were not so jealous of gaining the Whitehouse at the cost of everything else.  These are not normal times.  We are seeing the dismantling of our Constitution right before our eyes.  Most people are not going to just sit idly by while that happens.

[F3SS]

AsteroidX, on 21 January 2013 - 08:53 PM, said:

The maturity and civility went out the window when the Constitution became involved and Taxation without representation became the norm. Last hour Backroom deals aside.

Precisely. These things have extracted lots of emotion and emotion doesn't equate to maturity. Maturity only controls emotion and some things require that emotions run loose. Voices must be heard and feelings must be known.

[Corp]

supervike, on 21 January 2013 - 07:59 PM, said:

Of course by then it will be too late.  We won't have Freedom of Speech, No guns, and we'll all be worshipping the Great and Powerful Allah.

Well it would be about time. He was suppose to do that during his first term! Damn politicans and never keeping their promises.


Seems Obama references the rights of gay people in his speech. Think that might be a first. Be interesting to see if it goes anywhere or if it's lip service.