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#16    OverSword

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 03:07 PM

View PostWGH, on 31 October 2012 - 11:59 AM, said:

Oh dear. Another little bit of freedom taken away. Now for some reason I can't see the article, but Ill hazzard a guess that they want control to stop "terrorists" in some form or other?
Probably want to stop inflamatory speech against islam.


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Posted 31 October 2012 - 03:33 PM

View PostMr Right Wing, on 31 October 2012 - 01:42 PM, said:

Will the 200+ nations all get an equal say and vote on how the internet is run?

Maybe, maybe not... time will tell...

What is wrong with the way the internet is run now ? (in my opinion - nothing)

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 04:45 PM

View PostJackofalltrades, on 31 October 2012 - 03:33 PM, said:

Maybe, maybe not... time will tell...

What is wrong with the way the internet is run now ? (in my opinion - nothing)

Except that if the US Secretary of Commerce wants to shut it off the lights go out, and the rest of the world won't like that.

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 08:16 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 31 October 2012 - 04:45 PM, said:

Except that if the US Secretary of Commerce wants to shut it off the lights go out, and the rest of the world won't like that.
Is that true? Did he tweet this Idea or perhaps post it up on facebook? If true that person needs to go.

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 08:37 PM

View Postzenfahr, on 31 October 2012 - 08:16 PM, said:

Is that true? Did he tweet this Idea or perhaps post it up on facebook? If true that person needs to go.

what part of IF don't you understand?

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 08:49 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 31 October 2012 - 08:37 PM, said:

what part of IF don't you understand?
ahem.... let me correct my statment then question..... Since true that person needs to go!!!

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 08:55 PM

View Postzenfahr, on 31 October 2012 - 08:49 PM, said:

ahem.... let me correct my statment then question..... Since true that person needs to go!!!

Then whoever else is in charge of the US Department of Commerce can do the same, and that is what most countries don't want to put up with.

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 09:16 PM

so are you saying that it would be in better hands to handover the net to the UN?

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 10:19 AM

View Postzenfahr, on 31 October 2012 - 09:16 PM, said:

so are you saying that it would be in better hands to handover the net to the UN?

No, but then at least the function is not dependent on the whim of a single country, besides the little fact that there will be no general shutdown as the UN can never agree on anything.

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 05:19 AM

View PostJackofalltrades, on 31 October 2012 - 03:33 PM, said:

Maybe, maybe not... time will tell...

What is wrong with the way the internet is run now ? (in my opinion - nothing)
Speaking from a free country, like we do, I agree. But for people from countries that live under repressive governments, maybe it might 'free it up' more.I don't know right now. I'll have to find out more about it before I'll give an opinion in favour/or not.

Edited to add 20 minutes later: Russia, China and a half dozen Arab states back this... That's not good.

It would only work, if it made the internet more open. This will end in a stalemate.

I don't know maybe we need a world wide plebicite, or maybe we can just let Switzerland decide.

Edited by Likely Guy, 02 November 2012 - 05:36 AM.


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Posted 02 November 2012 - 06:30 PM

View PostLikely Guy, on 02 November 2012 - 05:19 AM, said:

Speaking from a free country, like we do, I agree. But for people from countries that live under repressive governments, maybe it might 'free it up' more.I don't know right now. I'll have to find out more about it before I'll give an opinion in favour/or not.

Edited to add 20 minutes later: Russia, China and a half dozen Arab states back this... That's not good.

It would only work, if it made the internet more open. This will end in a stalemate.

I don't know maybe we need a world wide plebicite, or maybe we can just let Switzerland decide.
Likely to be a stalemate between the UN and the entire world.  Good luck censoring it, we have some the best hackers in this country, and many of them are under 16 and very creative about how they get around blocks and how they hide themselves. This may change everything.

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 01:31 AM

View PostOverSword, on 30 October 2012 - 09:46 PM, said:

Then build your own damned internet.

We did......

http://en.wikipedia....Tim_Berners-Lee


You are using it right now.......

Edited by Coffey, 04 November 2012 - 01:33 AM.

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 08:24 AM

View PostWoIverine, on 31 October 2012 - 02:42 PM, said:

Sorry man, since the internet's inventor Al Gore is American, you'll just have to suck it up. :D


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Posted 05 November 2012 - 08:26 AM

View PostCoffey, on 04 November 2012 - 01:31 AM, said:

We did......

http://en.wikipedia....Tim_Berners-Lee


You are using it right now.......

Don't forget to mention Robert Cailliau, a Belgian computer scientist.
They, together, invented the WWW...which ppl now think is equal to the internet.

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 03:08 PM

View PostRender, on 05 November 2012 - 08:26 AM, said:

Don't forget to mention Robert Cailliau, a Belgian computer scientist.
They, together, invented the WWW...which ppl now think is equal to the internet.

Well, there are lots of people who had their fingers in it, from the Austrian mathematician who invented binary math in the 1800s over some Polish mathematicians who created the RPN to the Department of Defense as without its Arpanet it would have never been feasible to start the internet. But the internet has grown far beyond the Arpanet and over 98% of it belongs to all kind of telephone companies all over the world, and I can understand that these companies want a neutral organization with their own national representatives to control their assets, not some bureaucracy in Washington.

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