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#31    kmt_sesh

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Posted 22 July 2013 - 01:35 AM

View Postcladking, on 22 July 2013 - 12:38 AM, said:

I had no idea.  I assumed you were exaggerating about the quality of this show.  I couldn't
believe anything could be so bad but now I've seen the show and ity seems more that you
were sugar coating the truth and using polly anna goggles.  This thing (especially episode 2)
has some of the funniest stuff ever caught on film.  These guys make the Keystone Cops
look like the Harlem Globetrotters.  A mummy has little to fear from these stumble bums but
every mommy and daddy does.  In the first episode someone gets trapped so people rush in
with no tools and no first aid.  In the second a man's back goes out and there is a repeat but
this time an older overweight and clautrophobic producer goes in with no equipment but a ra-
dio. Hawass' treatment of people is despicable in the extreme.  Even animal reflexes are suf-
ficient cause for him to lose his temper and destroy the career of a young woman. He has the
gull to lambast a man for simply suggesting that aliens could have been invoilved and imposes
his religion on all.  His religion is unique to himself as he says the pyramid is sacred.  The run
emotions inspired by this film is extensive and it probably affected me much more than most be-
cause of my perspective but it was simply hilarious.  At the end he says he's unilaterally closing
the pyramid because his handheld hygrometer said the humidity in the enclosed relieving cham-
bers with  several people in it at 76% and that humidy causes salt!!!

I know this is just a film but it still leaves me shaken. I wonder if it any of it is real. God help us all.

I think I watched maybe about half of the first episode, and that was too much for me. A friend with whom I work at the museum kept watching the show even though she hated it. She described it  as the same thing as a train wreck: it's horrendous but you can't look away.

The most important thing to remember is, every bit of it is fake. All of the characters and supposed "students" are actors. It is all scripted. Hawass laid it on thick with his abrasive personality for the sake of ratings. It was a farce and painted the legitimate field of Egyptology in a cartoonish way, so I personally found the show to be juvenile, absent of intellectual merit, and a general waste of time. So, in all honesty, one of the side benefits of the toppling of the Mubarak regime was the end of Chasing Mummies, because Hawass was tossed out with Mubarak.

I didn't see the episode where he's talking about the relieving chamber, so I'm not familiar with what he said. You sure he didn't say King's Chamber? I just find it odd because tourists don't go in the relieving chambers in the first place, so there would be no such cause for alarm. Even vetted historians rarely go in those tight spaces. But if this is indeed what Hawass said, it would be a good example of his bumbling efforts to sound authoritative and all-knowing for the TV cameras. No, of course humidity doesn't cause salt, and Hawass knows that perfectly well. However, high and steady levels of humidity definitely cause a dangerous increase in the leeching of salt from the mineral matrix in limestone monuments, which is very problematic as far as conservation is concerned. This is a common problem for ancient monuments up and down the Nile Valley.

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Posted 22 July 2013 - 02:56 AM

View Postkmt_sesh, on 22 July 2013 - 01:35 AM, said:


I didn't see the episode where he's talking about the relieving chamber, so I'm not familiar with what he said. You sure he didn't say King's Chamber? I just find it odd because tourists don't go in the relieving chambers in the first place, so there would be no such cause for alarm. Even vetted historians rarely go in those tight spaces. But if this is indeed what Hawass said, it would be a good example of his bumbling efforts to sound authoritative and all-knowing for the TV cameras. No, of course humidity doesn't cause salt, and Hawass knows that perfectly well. However, high and steady levels of humidity definitely cause a dangerous increase in the leeching of salt from the mineral matrix in limestone monuments, which is very problematic as far as conservation is concerned. This is a common problem for ancient monuments up and down the Nile Valley.

He was actually sitting in the third(?) relieving chamber at the time.

I'm sure he knows better and part of the problem could be as simple as editing but
this is the sort of thing they put pover the air with this episode.  He made the statement
while ostensibly on Egyptian TV and was at the end of episode 2.  

The whole thing is just chilling since it leaves one with the impression that incompetence
is rampant and Hawass has the disposition and sensitivity of a ancient torture device.

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Posted 22 July 2013 - 11:02 PM

Can`nt they drill a hole at the end stones of the queen shafts from the outside, the shafts the boxes were found in almost lead to the outside.

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Posted 23 July 2013 - 08:01 AM

View Postdocyabut2, on 22 July 2013 - 11:02 PM, said:

Can`nt they drill a hole at the end stones of the queen shafts from the outside, the shafts the boxes were found in almost lead to the outside.
Difficult because the shafts, though always conveniently drawn straight on diagrams, are not straight in reality. Is it necessary to further damge the GP by drilling speculative hole from the outside in the hope of joining up with the shafts? what would be the purpose?

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Posted 23 July 2013 - 09:03 AM

View PostTutankhaten-pasheri, on 23 July 2013 - 08:01 AM, said:

Difficult because the shafts, though always conveniently drawn straight on diagrams, are not straight in reality. Is it necessary to further damge the GP by drilling speculative hole from the outside in the hope of joining up with the shafts? what would be the purpose?

All this is better explained on the site of the UPUAUT project http://cheops.org/


That shafts at the end could be filled with sand topped with stones, it would`nt be that hard, they did find sand when the queen chambers wall was drilled into.

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Posted 23 July 2013 - 09:11 AM

View Postdocyabut2, on 23 July 2013 - 09:03 AM, said:

That shafts at the end could be filled with sand topped with stones, it would`nt be that hard, they did find sand when the queen chambers wall was drilled into.
We won't know unless drilling is carried out, which Is unlikely to be done anytime soon. Some of these questions will have to wait for new technology, or the dismantling of the GP stone by stone, then all will be revealed. With current situation in Egypt who can say which will come first......


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Posted 09 August 2013 - 03:05 PM

Zahi Hawass is a shady character himself, not for me to tell tales but there are plenty or reports about this guy and his 'credentials'...The Egyptians should have deposed him too and done the field of Egyptology a massive favour...at least we might get chance to look under the paws of the Sphinx ....

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Posted 09 August 2013 - 08:02 PM

View PostVigilanis, on 09 August 2013 - 03:05 PM, said:

Zahi Hawass is a shady character himself, not for me to tell tales but there are plenty or reports about this guy and his 'credentials'...The Egyptians should have deposed him too and done the field of Egyptology a massive favour...at least we might get chance to look under the paws of the Sphinx ....

Hawass was in fact "deposed." He lost his position not long after Mubarak was sent packing. Hawass is back in Egypt but holds no office and has no authority now.

Hawass's main problem is his burgeoning ego. All can agree on that. He is not what I would consider to be the finest Egyptologist and he rubs me the wrong way the same as anyone else, but at the same time I do not like to see him misrepresented. You're misrepresenting him, Vigilanis. While Hawass was always too in love with TV cameras and too frequently allowed his ego to guide him, his credentials are not in question. He studied both in Egypt and at the University of Pennsylvania, a very prestigious school for the study of Egyptology, and holds a Ph.D. in the field. His body of professional literature and peer-reviewed papers is impressive. Hawass was a solid and highly effective Egyptologist and archaeologist for many years, prior to his rise in the former Egyptian government. That's when his ego started to inflate, and he became a highly effective PR agent for his country but stepped on toes pretty much everywhere he walked.

It's interesting that you mention the Sphinx, as though Hawass had hidden its subterranean features. Aside from numerous series of GPR conducted around the Sphinx and which revealed nothing substantial below ground, Hawass led a team years ago that sunk deep bore holes all around the monument to test for rising water contamination; in the process he sent cameras down the bore holes, just to see what was down there. And his team found nothing.

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Posted 10 August 2013 - 03:05 AM

Let's not forget what might be Hawass's greatest contribution - at least to Egypt.  That would be his tireless efforts to return (sometimes literally) stolen Egyptian artifacts to their rightful place - Egypt.

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