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#1    ninjadude

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 08:17 PM

1. Banning high-capacity ammunition. HR 138. This bill from Reps. Carolyn McCarthy (D-NY) and Diana DeGette (D-CO) would ban anyone in the US from owning, buying, or trading high-capacity ammunition clips, like the kinds that are often used in mass shootings. Such clips allow a gunman to fire off as many as 100 rounds without stopping to reload. McCarthy’s connection to gun safety laws is personal: Her husband was killed and son critically injured during a mass shooting.
2. Closing the ‘gun show loophole.’ HR 141. Another measure from McCarthy requires that all gun purchasers undergo a full background check. As-is, the private sales of firearms, and the sale of guns at gun shows, are exempt from the background check requirements that are mandatory for other gun sales. That loophole is currently an easy way for criminals or the mentally ill to access a gun undetected.
3. Making the database of who cannot buy guns effective. HR 137. Currently, states do a terrible job of entering names — of felons or the mentally ill — into the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS). This measure also from McCarthy is called the Fix Gun Checks Act, and has been introduced in previous legislative sessions. It would create incentives and penalties to encourage the efficient entry of names into NICS. It would also close the gun show loophole.
4. Regulating where and how ammunition is purchased. HR 142. McCarthy’s fourth and final bill would make it mandatory for all ammunition dealers to have a license to sell. It would also require anyone purchasing ammunition to do so in person, face-to-face with a seller. All bulk purchases of ammunition would need to be reported under McCarthy’s law. This bill responds to the criticisms that the internet is an open market for the unlimited sale of ammunition.
5. Requiring handguns to be registered. HR 117. Rep. Rush Holt (D-NJ) crafted this national law based on his state’s requirements for handgun purchasing. It would require every single handgun sold in the United States to be licensed and registered, without any exceptions or loopholes, and for that registry to be easily accessible.
6. Regulating how gun licenses are issued. HR 34. Like Holt, Rep. Bobby Rush’s (D-IL) bill aims to create a unified system of gun licensing procedures — for both handguns and semi-automatic weapons. Rush’s legislation, a reintroduction of “Blair’s Bill,” named after a murdered Chicago teen, would also require gun safety training for firearm owners.
7. Raising the age of legal handgun ownership to 21. HR 65. In a move that seems pointed toward combating youth street violence, Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee (D-TX) proposed this bill that would make it illegal to own a handgun before the age of 21. Some states have such laws in place, but Jackson Lee’s measure would make the law national.
8. Requiring the reporting of stolen guns. HR 21. This bill, which Rep. Jim Moran (D-VA) has introduced to Congress previously and is reintroducing to the new Congress, would also close the ‘gun show loophole’ by requiring all gun-owners to undergo background checks. Additionally, it would make sure that gun owners are required to report stolen guns — a measure that could help law enforcement track illegal guns.

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 08:21 PM

Except the first bill they all make sense to me, but lets see first if we have the do-nothing Congress reloaded... then nothing will get done again.

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 08:34 PM

There are 1 or 2 reasonable parts to that proposal, but for the most part it's wishful thinking and kneejerk response, normal behavior for the US Congress.

No part of it would have stopped the crime that just happened in Newtown, the predicate act for this legislation.


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Posted 05 January 2013 - 08:48 PM

Its just a loophole filled piece of propaganda meant to satisfy the uniformed.


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Posted 05 January 2013 - 09:16 PM

I love the provisions for "databases".  Reminds me of the old line -"I'm here from government, just to help"  These kinds of dbases will help in the investigation and prosecution of mass shooters - but that's not usually a difficult task anyway.  Banning the sale of new hi cap mags I could live with, but how, exactly, does one go about effectively forcing millions of owners to give up their property?  I guess they just charge them as they find them in possession of the mags. It will criminalize a whole new class of otherwise carefully law abiding citizens.  If an Arab spring can be organized online then I expect a massive, well coordinated civil disobedience campaign can be launched against any particularly egregious gun laws.

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 09:53 PM

It's amazing to me that assault rifles and high capacity clips are so easy to get hold of.
It seems kind of backwards and 3rd world-ish to me that guns can be brought at a Walmart
and the gunshow loophole is hysterically laughable. These 8 little changes to gun laws
are just common sense and should of been implemented long ago, but "the right to bear arms"
seem more important than any other "right", which is really sad.


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Posted 05 January 2013 - 10:05 PM

Only 3, 7, and 8 actually seem important though :/


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Posted 06 January 2013 - 09:15 AM

View Posts33ker, on 05 January 2013 - 09:53 PM, said:

It's amazing to me that assault rifles and high capacity clips are so easy to get hold of.
It seems kind of backwards and 3rd world-ish to me that guns can be brought at a Walmart
and the gunshow loophole is hysterically laughable. These 8 little changes to gun laws
are just common sense and should of been implemented long ago, but "the right to bear arms"
seem more important than any other "right", which is really sad.

First what assault rifles are easy to get.  To get a real assault rifle you need a level 3 gun license which are time consuming, expensive, and hard to get.  You can get AR-15s pretty easily but they are not assault rifles, they make look like them but they are not assault rifles.

As for high capacity magazines, besides from the problem that banning them would create a large new class of criminals and be near impossible to enforce it would be pointless at best.  If a criminal would want to get a high capacity magazine he would either buy one on the black market of high capacity magazines this would create or they would make one.  What people seem to forget is that reloading a magazine does not take that long, at longest maybe 2 to 2.5 seconds to change a magazine.  That small amount of time wouldn't really help at all, by the time a person would realize the gunman was reloading the gun would be reloaded.

The guns that can be bought at Walmart are hunting rifles and shotguns, not AK-47s, RPGs, or PKMs like you would find in a black market in a third world country.  

The gun show loophole is problematic somewhat, it is an easier way to get guns, maybe even getting real assault rifles and lmgs if you can find a person who would be willing to sell them after all the trouble and taxes they went threw to get them, but how can you stop someone from selling what they privately own to someone else.  

My personal favorite on this list has to be number 4, if you can't ban guns might as well do the next best thing and make ammo for the guns a lot harder and more expensive to get.


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Posted 06 January 2013 - 10:41 AM

View Postninjadude, on 05 January 2013 - 08:17 PM, said:

1. Banning high-capacity ammunition. HR 138. This bill from Reps. Carolyn McCarthy (D-NY) and Diana DeGette (D-CO) would ban anyone in the US from owning, buying, or trading high-capacity ammunition clips, like the kinds that are often used in mass shootings. Such clips allow a gunman to fire off as many as 100 rounds without stopping to reload. McCarthy’s connection to gun safety laws is personal: Her husband was killed and son critically injured during a mass shooting.
2. Closing the ‘gun show loophole.’ HR 141. Another measure from McCarthy requires that all gun purchasers undergo a full background check. As-is, the private sales of firearms, and the sale of guns at gun shows, are exempt from the background check requirements that are mandatory for other gun sales. That loophole is currently an easy way for criminals or the mentally ill to access a gun undetected.
3. Making the database of who cannot buy guns effective. HR 137. Currently, states do a terrible job of entering names — of felons or the mentally ill — into the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS). This measure also from McCarthy is called the Fix Gun Checks Act, and has been introduced in previous legislative sessions. It would create incentives and penalties to encourage the efficient entry of names into NICS. It would also close the gun show loophole.
4. Regulating where and how ammunition is purchased. HR 142. McCarthy’s fourth and final bill would make it mandatory for all ammunition dealers to have a license to sell. It would also require anyone purchasing ammunition to do so in person, face-to-face with a seller. All bulk purchases of ammunition would need to be reported under McCarthy’s law. This bill responds to the criticisms that the internet is an open market for the unlimited sale of ammunition.
5. Requiring handguns to be registered. HR 117. Rep. Rush Holt (D-NJ) crafted this national law based on his state’s requirements for handgun purchasing. It would require every single handgun sold in the United States to be licensed and registered, without any exceptions or loopholes, and for that registry to be easily accessible.
6. Regulating how gun licenses are issued. HR 34. Like Holt, Rep. Bobby Rush’s (D-IL) bill aims to create a unified system of gun licensing procedures — for both handguns and semi-automatic weapons. Rush’s legislation, a reintroduction of “Blair’s Bill,” named after a murdered Chicago teen, would also require gun safety training for firearm owners.
7. Raising the age of legal handgun ownership to 21. HR 65. In a move that seems pointed toward combating youth street violence, Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee (D-TX) proposed this bill that would make it illegal to own a handgun before the age of 21. Some states have such laws in place, but Jackson Lee’s measure would make the law national.
8. Requiring the reporting of stolen guns. HR 21. This bill, which Rep. Jim Moran (D-VA) has introduced to Congress previously and is reintroducing to the new Congress, would also close the ‘gun show loophole’ by requiring all gun-owners to undergo background checks. Additionally, it would make sure that gun owners are required to report stolen guns — a measure that could help law enforcement track illegal guns.

http://thinkprogress...mart-gun-bills/
More hoops for legal citizens to jump through, criminals to ignore, and debt for taxpayers to pay with interest.

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 12:18 PM

I only see one of these as reasonable. You should have to report if your guns are stolen. Though I doubt thats a big problem. What law abiding citizan wouldnt report a home break in where thier guns were stolen?

Have to be 21 to own a gun? Then you should have to be 21 to join the military. If you are old enough to die for your country (with a AK 47 in hand no less) then you should be old enough to exorcise any right given to any American.

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 04:50 PM

View Postninjadude, on 05 January 2013 - 08:17 PM, said:

1. Banning high-capacity ammunition. HR 138. This bill from Reps. Carolyn McCarthy (D-NY) and Diana DeGette (D-CO) would ban anyone in the US from owning, buying, or trading high-capacity ammunition clips, like the kinds that are often used in mass shootings. Such clips allow a gunman to fire off as many as 100 rounds without stopping to reload. McCarthy’s connection to gun safety laws is personal: Her husband was killed and son critically injured during a mass shooting.
2. Closing the ‘gun show loophole.’ HR 141. Another measure from McCarthy requires that all gun purchasers undergo a full background check. As-is, the private sales of firearms, and the sale of guns at gun shows, are exempt from the background check requirements that are mandatory for other gun sales. That loophole is currently an easy way for criminals or the mentally ill to access a gun undetected.
3. Making the database of who cannot buy guns effective. HR 137. Currently, states do a terrible job of entering names — of felons or the mentally ill — into the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS). This measure also from McCarthy is called the Fix Gun Checks Act, and has been introduced in previous legislative sessions. It would create incentives and penalties to encourage the efficient entry of names into NICS. It would also close the gun show loophole.
4. Regulating where and how ammunition is purchased. HR 142. McCarthy’s fourth and final bill would make it mandatory for all ammunition dealers to have a license to sell. It would also require anyone purchasing ammunition to do so in person, face-to-face with a seller. All bulk purchases of ammunition would need to be reported under McCarthy’s law. This bill responds to the criticisms that the internet is an open market for the unlimited sale of ammunition.
5. Requiring handguns to be registered. HR 117. Rep. Rush Holt (D-NJ) crafted this national law based on his state’s requirements for handgun purchasing. It would require every single handgun sold in the United States to be licensed and registered, without any exceptions or loopholes, and for that registry to be easily accessible.
6. Regulating how gun licenses are issued. HR 34. Like Holt, Rep. Bobby Rush’s (D-IL) bill aims to create a unified system of gun licensing procedures — for both handguns and semi-automatic weapons. Rush’s legislation, a reintroduction of “Blair’s Bill,” named after a murdered Chicago teen, would also require gun safety training for firearm owners.
7. Raising the age of legal handgun ownership to 21. HR 65. In a move that seems pointed toward combating youth street violence, Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee (D-TX) proposed this bill that would make it illegal to own a handgun before the age of 21. Some states have such laws in place, but Jackson Lee’s measure would make the law national.
8. Requiring the reporting of stolen guns. HR 21. This bill, which Rep. Jim Moran (D-VA) has introduced to Congress previously and is reintroducing to the new Congress, would also close the ‘gun show loophole’ by requiring all gun-owners to undergo background checks. Additionally, it would make sure that gun owners are required to report stolen guns — a measure that could help law enforcement track illegal guns.

http://thinkprogress...mart-gun-bills/

And NONE of these would have stopped any of the recent mass shootings.

Just more hoops for law abiding citizens to jump through.

I think I'll pull out my checkbook and send the NRA a few hundred bucks.

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 04:52 PM

This would be a good mandatory gun bill. Shoot the intruder until he stops moving. Its messy but effective.

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 04:55 PM

Criminals will always ignore laws, this is why they're criminals.

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 10:48 PM

View PostHasina, on 06 January 2013 - 04:55 PM, said:

Criminals will always ignore laws, this is why they're criminals.

NO!!! You can NOT use logic with these people!!! Stop now, it's a waste of time (trust me, I live in a very liberal state, and our gun laws are the most confusing in the Nation).

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