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Siberian permafrost thaw warning

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#1    Still Waters

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 04:46 PM

Evidence from Siberian caves suggests that a global temperature rise of 1.5C could see permafrost thaw over a large area of Siberia.

A study shows that more than a trillion tonnes of the greenhouse gases CO2 and methane could be released into the atmosphere as a result.

http://www.bbc.co.uk...onment-21549643

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 04:56 PM

Oh not another Warning. Can these endless parades of Experts suggest anything practical or helpful? Then what's the point of endless Warnings and Fears.

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 05:34 PM

Well, I guess they can say, "We warned you."


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Posted 22 February 2013 - 05:35 PM

I don't think it's thawing at all - It just seems to be relocating to my paddock! (It's snowing again!)

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 06:00 PM

And so it will come to pass that Siberia will become the new Eden, a paradise on Earth. The weather will be warm and sunny, the black soil fertile and the army large, to keep the millions of climate refugees out :)


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Posted 22 February 2013 - 06:11 PM

If the global temperature is rising, then why has it be one of the coldest winters of my life this year.

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 09:06 PM

Yes if the temperatures do rise 1.5C it could thaw the permafrost and release greenhouse gases and methane but they aren't saying it is happening, just if.


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Posted 22 February 2013 - 09:41 PM

I foresee another greenbelt ripe for farming and Agriculture if this happens. We could likely double the worlds population in such a scenario. :tu:


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Posted 22 February 2013 - 11:34 PM

View PostLord Vetinari, on 22 February 2013 - 04:56 PM, said:

Oh not another Warning. Can these endless parades of Experts suggest anything practical or helpful? Then what's the point of endless Warnings and Fears.

New Zealand's leading google scientist solves Global Warming problem.

"Just leave the fridge doors open! problem solved... That'll be one Nobel prise please...  :tu:

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 12:19 PM

Could someone explain to me how a 'global' temperature (average for the entire World) drop would affect one particular area? What if the global temperature drops, yet Siberia stays just as cold? How would the permafrost then melt?

Why not just say 'if the temperature in Siberia drops'.

Edited by ExpandMyMind, 23 February 2013 - 12:35 PM.


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Posted 23 February 2013 - 12:54 PM

View PostAtentutankh-pasheri, on 22 February 2013 - 06:00 PM, said:

And so it will come to pass that Siberia will become the new Eden, a paradise on Earth. The weather will be warm and sunny, the black soil fertile and the army large, to keep the millions of climate refugees out :)
That is not the fear; the fear is that the Earth become like Venus with its runaway greenhouse gases.


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Posted 23 February 2013 - 12:58 PM

Maybe a stupid question but is their no way of collecting the methane?  If their is so much I am surprised nobody is drilling there and collecting.

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 01:23 PM

View Postskookum, on 23 February 2013 - 12:58 PM, said:

Maybe a stupid question but is their no way of collecting the methane?  If their is so much I am surprised nobody is drilling there and collecting.
Not really.
Collecting from a massive defuse source would be impossibly expensive. The emissions are from thousands of square miles of thawing bog and continental shelf. Its not like tapping into a geological gas deposit which tends to accumulate at one point.

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Edited by Br Cornelius, 23 February 2013 - 01:26 PM.

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 02:46 PM

View PostCoffey, on 22 February 2013 - 06:11 PM, said:

If the global temperature is rising, then why has it be one of the coldest winters of my life this year.

Actually Earth if all about energy (heat) distribution and dissipation through winds or cyclones or other natural calamities.
Earth as a closed system (kind of closed) tries to maintain its equilibrium and what greenhouse gases are doing that it is disturbing it's cycles of maintaining equilibrium.
This causes a climate change as the earth is trying to balance it out somehow and which in turn causes extremes highs in some places and extreme lows in some places and even more natural calamities.
I may not know much about it but scientists are still learning about the earth cycles and there are many things to be learn't.
I seems that if we continue like this it would be too late.


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Posted 23 February 2013 - 03:07 PM

View PostTwinkle Arora is back, on 23 February 2013 - 02:46 PM, said:

Actually Earth if all about energy (heat) distribution and dissipation through winds or cyclones or other natural calamities.
Earth as a closed system (kind of closed) tries to maintain its equilibrium and what greenhouse gases are doing that it is disturbing it's cycles of maintaining equilibrium.
This causes a climate change as the earth is trying to balance it out somehow and which in turn causes extremes highs in some places and extreme lows in some places and even more natural calamities.
I may not know much about it but scientists are still learning about the earth cycles and there are many things to be learn't.
I seems that if we continue like this it would be too late.

I thought it was a natural cycle though?

I read about the key scientists who are showing these results where funded by the big il companies. I found that strange as though there is some kind of ulterior motive.

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