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Hackers revisited...


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#61    DarkShade

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Posted 09 November 2003 - 12:32 PM

There's all kinds of 'hackers' out there, each type of hacking derives a different name.  Such as, Crackers generally break open programs and manipulate them (such as mask programs that allow you to play a game without the game CD in the drive, which in turn increases piracy, but that's another subject altogether).  Hackers, the real ones, are more like trespassers and sometimes thieves.  Phreakers (though they have died down) mess with telephone service and credit card fraud.

There are a few more than that, but that's the gist of it.  I love it when I'm watching the news and the media calls someone who downloaded an illegal copy of Quake III a 'hacker'.  Anyone could be a 'hacker' in that sense, just launch Kazaa or some other P2P file sharing service.  OOH NOOESS HACKARS EVERYWAREZ!!

But enough of that subject.  I've been on computers for most of my life, from my first 8MHz, 512k RAM (that's kilobytes, not megabytes wink2.gif ) 20MB external hard drive the size of a pumpkin pie powerhouse.  I believe hackers, crackers, phreakers and all of the like should be treated just like real criminals.  It doesn't matter what they stole, it's against the law, they should be punished accordingly.  The hard part is, tracking them down and finding them (the crafty ones that is).  It's rather easy to find someone who downloaded illegal files off of a temporary ftp or free web space location.  The smart ones masquerade their IP, use a dummy address, or even take remote control of another persons computer, download it to their hard drive, transfer it to their own anonymously, close the connection and you are done (this is real hacking, folks).

Anyway, those are my thoughts!   thumbsup.gif


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Posted 09 November 2003 - 03:22 PM

JUst to add something to this, the man that was in court for hacker the houston thing can't remember, he said other hackers used his computer as a remote? If they did a check on his computer they should have found the trojan that he said was on there, not only that also trace connections back via logs created on his computer, to the remote users, even if they did use a anonymous proxy, the proxy servers are not above the law and must submit all logs to the courts as well, if the law had been thorough, then they should have found this, even if he was lying, then its also easy to find this, its a question on whether the law did there job correctly or not...

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Posted 10 November 2003 - 09:58 PM

QUOTE (Blood Angel @ Nov 4 2003, 02:26 PM)
Again you use hacker as a generic term, Say that in 1 million hackers and cracker 5 are stupid enough to get caught, the public starts to get annoyed with computer savvy people, it doesn't matter whether they are good or bad they still get a blasting, The hackers gets pissed off because they spend all of their free time making YOU safe, from the crackers. The hackers are what make your firewalls, your antivirus software, your trojan horse detecters, they fix bugs in your software, so that crackers can't get the handhold, while they are busy making YOU safe, they are getting flamed but millions of user worldwide becuase of crackers who are intent on harming, do they get credit? NO. How about giving the hackers that do a good job in keeping YOU safe a round of applause for their efforts? I'm not saying praise the crackers, but praise hackers that do good, they are like the "police" force of the internet, but go relatively unnoticed by normal users. I myself find it frustrating everytime i mention myself as a hacker, to be blasted left right and centre because of something else someone else is doing. Don't hate the many because of a few. You can call me whatever you like.

Where I'm from, we call this class of hackers "software engineers."  I myself fall under this categorey; and you have seen my lack of love for hackers (or crackers as you call them.)

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Posted 10 November 2003 - 10:04 PM

Quibbling about semantics... rolleyes.gif
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Posted 11 November 2003 - 05:20 PM

   Hacking should be compared to real life . If you think about it , hacking into someones server and changing data is just like breaking into someones house and throwing their clohes around for no apperant reason . Hacking is just another way for kids to mess around and be "cool" . It should always be illegal .

Here is something I found out :

Recently , hackers broke into the video game corporation and stole part
of the source code for an upcoming game . The game was supposed to be one of the best games of the year , Half Life 2 ! Now valve has to rewrite part of the source code and the game has been delayed for 6 months on its original release date . Stuff like this should be punished . ( especially since I like half life ... crying.gif )

  

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Posted 11 November 2003 - 05:46 PM

OK, everybody had their say. As an old proverb goes: Everything has already been said and done... (Or something like that  tongue.gif )

So, I declare this one closed.  original.gif










So, since everything has already been done, don't blame me... blame the other guy.


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