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#1    Beckys_Mom

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 08:47 PM

Ohio School Janitors To Carry Handguns

A rural Ohio school district will arm its janitors with handguns to protect students in the wake of last month's shooting at a Connecticut elementary school.
The school board has voted unanimously to have the four custodians at the district's nursery and main school begin carrying handguns, the Toledo Blade reports.
In a message to parents on the district's website, Superintendent Jamison Grime said the school board decided to arm staff in order to "substantially enhance and strengthen our security efforts."
The janitors - all men - will buy their own guns. Teachers and others with direct supervision of students will not be armed.
School board president Larry Martin said the district began looking into arming employees six months ago.

Read More - http://news.sky.com/...-carry-handguns

I wonder if more schools will do the same ?

Edited by Beckys_Mom, 11 January 2013 - 08:48 PM.

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 08:50 PM

And the interesting question is: Who tells them that the janitor will not develop the "disgruntled postman syndrome"?

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 08:59 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 11 January 2013 - 08:50 PM, said:

And the interesting question is: Who tells them that the janitor will not develop the "disgruntled postman syndrome"?

Yea true enough, because the second they get guns, it turns them into wannabe killers with mental disorders...They could easily go on a rampage if someone spills their juice on the play ground
What where they thinking eh?

Sorry about the sarcasm, but going by your logic, does that mean every single person who owns a gun, will develop some sort of mental / anger disorder and go nuts killing people?

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 09:06 PM

well, yea, in reality, it is not every single person who owns a gun, it is every single person. period.

Edited by aztek, 11 January 2013 - 09:12 PM.

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 09:06 PM

View PostBeckys_Mom, on 11 January 2013 - 08:47 PM, said:

Ohio School Janitors To Carry Handguns

A rural Ohio school district will arm its janitors with handguns to protect students in the wake of last month's shooting at a Connecticut elementary school.
The school board has voted unanimously to have the four custodians at the district's nursery and main school begin carrying handguns, the Toledo Blade reports.
In a message to parents on the district's website, Superintendent Jamison Grime said the school board decided to arm staff in order to "substantially enhance and strengthen our security efforts."
The janitors - all men - will buy their own guns. Teachers and others with direct supervision of students will not be armed.
School board president Larry Martin said the district began looking into arming employees six months ago.

Read More - http://news.sky.com/...-carry-handguns

I wonder if more schools will do the same ?

Gah, hopefully there will be extensive (in every aspect) checks before handing anyone in charge of a bunch of kids a gun.

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 09:08 PM

"Which one of you little b@#*(&d's puked in the cafeteria this time?!!!"

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 09:11 PM

View PostBeckys_Mom, on 11 January 2013 - 08:59 PM, said:

Yea true enough, because the second they get guns, it turns them into wannabe killers with mental disorders...They could easily go on a rampage if someone spills their juice on the play ground
What where they thinking eh?

Sorry about the sarcasm, but going by your logic, does that mean every single person who owns a gun, will develop some sort of mental / anger disorder and go nuts killing people?

I am not saying that, but unless I am mistaken the janitorial system in most states draws from the same pool as the US Postal Service, mostly veterans get a several point preference (making most of the jobs only available to veterans during bad economic times). And before the big school shootings it was going postal.

It may not happen but the risk factor is there.

Not a good idea to adopt this blanketly, though with an evaluation a case to case situation could be favorable.

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 09:15 PM

I find it interesting that they are willing to arm janitors, but not teachers or others with direct supervision. This my be old fashioned of me, but when I was a kid, janitors were just as much out in the student population as the other staff. And yeah, if you were making a mess in the cafeteria or there was a flooded bathroom, the janitors sure did have interactions with kids. So I'm not sure what the difference is of having armed staff that has indirect action with the kids, but not allowing arming of direct staff. It's still staff carrying guns around students.


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Posted 11 January 2013 - 09:23 PM

Yes, because the person we want armed on school grounds is the person who has (literally) the s**t job, the one who is working from the moment they arrive on campus to the moment they leave, the ones who are paid a pittance.

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 09:25 PM

View PostWearer of Hats, on 11 January 2013 - 09:23 PM, said:

Yes, because the person we want armed on school grounds is the person who has (literally) the s**t job, the one who is working from the moment they arrive on campus to the moment they leave, the ones who are paid a pittance.

Well, after the "good" experience made by paying the cops a Sh@t during the 1920s it may be just as successful, who knows...

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 09:25 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 11 January 2013 - 09:11 PM, said:

I am not saying that, but unless I am mistaken the janitorial system in most states draws from the same pool as the US Postal Service, mostly veterans get a several point preference (making most of the jobs only available to veterans during bad economic times). And before the big school shootings it was going postal.

It may not happen but the risk factor is there.

Not a good idea to adopt this blanketly, though with an evaluation a case to case situation could be favorable.

Wouldn't veterans be a much better idea, as they would likely be already trained on how to handle weapons?   ( How to react, handle dire situations and so forth )

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 09:29 PM

View PostBeckys_Mom, on 11 January 2013 - 09:25 PM, said:

Wouldn't veterans be a much better idea, as they would likely be already trained on how to handle weapons?   ( How to react, handle dire situations and so forth )

It would, would it not be that at the lower level positions only those veterans find employment that are deemed not suitable for other positions in local and federal government, either for health or education reasons.

But one thing is for sure: They know how to handle a gun, mostly.

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View Postrashore, on 11 January 2013 - 09:15 PM, said:

I find it interesting that they are willing to arm janitors, but not teachers or others with direct supervision. This my be old fashioned of me, but when I was a kid, janitors were just as much out in the student population as the other staff. And yeah, if you were making a mess in the cafeteria or there was a flooded bathroom, the janitors sure did have interactions with kids. So I'm not sure what the difference is of having armed staff that has indirect action with the kids, but not allowing arming of direct staff. It's still staff carrying guns around students.

The article reads - The Buckeye Firearms Association said more than 1,000 educators across Ohio have applied for its armed teacher training programme, but it is unclear whether any other school districts have approved similar programmes.

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 09:30 PM

View PostBeckys_Mom, on 11 January 2013 - 09:25 PM, said:

Wouldn't veterans be a much better idea, as they would likely be already trained on how to handle weapons?   ( How to react, handle dire situations and so forth )

Eh, wouldn't really matter if its a vet or a janitor IMO.  As long as it is a mentally stable and capable person.

In the US we have a HUGE (and horribly sad) issue with vets who are suicidal or just sadly broken.  

IMO Training is the answer.

(Side note - Columbine had an armed deputy on sight.)

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 09:30 PM

This just strikes me as a horrifically terrible idea.

Lets just pay janitors to do janitorial stuff.

If security is that necessary, then pay for a security guard, or a policeman.  Someone with more than 'two days' of book learnin'.

I don't think anyone wants to see our country turn back into the wild west.





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