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[Insaniac]

I believe, using uncommon sense (and being a Christian) it's okay to kill to save anothers life, or even in self defence, but just retreat or knock your opponent unconscious if possible. It's better than killing.

[Beckys_Mom]

Hasina, on 22 October 2012 - 08:04 PM, said:

I've found that quote to be taken a little out of context, weird for me being an atheist defending a quote from the Bible. Here's a good summery of what I was told about that quote:
http://www.onenesspe...m/turncheek.htm

His interpretation is no different from what others take from it  - Turn the other cheek   - Try and resist hitting back... Don't defend yourself... Same if someone insulting you.. Do not try and retaliate... Walk away....

And we all know what usually happens when people do not defend themselves !

[markdohle]

MysticStrummer, on 22 October 2012 - 10:30 PM, said:

If "Christian" means following the teachings of Jesus, then the answer is never. Most Christians I know would say that "Christian" means you believe Jesus lived, died, and was resurrected for your sins, and what he said along the way is secondary. I read Hasina's link, but it seems to be ignoring the first part of the quote while explaining away the last part. Violence and killing are never the answer, according to what Jesus said in the Bible. Self defense is an animal instinct. Of course, in other parts of the Bible God orders his people to kill quite a bit, and not in self defence. Maybe Jesus was a rebellious son.  ; )

When Jesus was talking about not using violence, or in returning evil for evil, I believe he was talking about one on one.  For instance, in Roman times a solider had the right to demand that a man in occupied territory had to carry his pack for one mile.  Jesus said, carry it two.  If that is done, freely, something changes in the relationship.  Anything larger than one on one is different.  For instance the over used example about seeing a child harmed, or being beaten…. is it ok to use violence to end the situation.  I would say yes.  For not to help would cause greater evil; the destruction of an innocent life, or scarring and passing on the evil to yet another generation….   A man has no right to attack a child, he needs to be stopped.  Cycles of violence can only be stopped one person at a time.  Governments and armies or needed if they are used to defend the rights of others.  A Christian is not free to belong to an army that kills and rapes innocent men, women and children.  However after saying this I know there are other ways of looking at it.  Before anyone says anything, yes I know that Christian armies did rape and kill innocent people…..failure seems to be the norm in any life that demands a high ideal in how life is to be lived.  

[Yamato]

and then, on 22 October 2012 - 07:54 PM, said:

I am a self described Christian and I am often called a war monger for pointing out the logic of self defense in situations where to refrain would mean personal destruction.  So I wonder what you folks think the responsibility of a Christian is in this area?  Is it EVER acceptable?

The Christian Just War Theory answers this question and as a Christian you really should know about it and follow it.   Ron Paul has referred to JWT numerous times in debates with fellow Republicans trying to play the Christian card.   Understanding what the role of government ought to be as a real conservative, and applying Christian standards to problems like Just War Theory will at least honestly earn someone a badge like "Christian Conservative.   "  Most of the time, whenever I hear someone labeled as a "Christian Conservative" I find that they're neither Christian nor Conservative.

Follow a conservative foreign policy of non-intervention.  This means that we don't go around the world looking for trouble because when we go looking for trouble, we find that trouble comes looking for us.

[Leave Britney alone!]

It is OK to fight only and if only they insult your mother or the Mother of Jesus. It is OK to kill only when your sargeant or higher commanding officer orders you.

[WoIverine]

I'm Christian, I have zero qualms about kicking somebody's ass if they willfully attempt to injure me, or anyone in my family.

[P4UL N0153]

It is ok to fight or kill when it would be more evil not to do so.

[Bling]

I'm an atheist, I can kill anyone.....

[Beckys_Mom]

WoIverine, on 23 October 2012 - 06:37 PM, said:

I'm Christian, I have zero qualms about kicking somebody's ass if they willfully attempt to injure me, or anyone in my family.

I salute you

[WoIverine]

Beckys_Mom, on 23 October 2012 - 09:00 PM, said:

I salute you

Thanks!  I think God will cut people a little slack in some circumstances, especially if it's legitimate self defense. How else could one go on to walk the walk and further help others if they ended up as a victim.  

Edited by WoIverine, 23 October 2012 - 09:56 PM.

[Etu Malku]

WoIverine, on 23 October 2012 - 06:37 PM, said:

I'm Christian, I have zero qualms about kicking somebody's ass if they willfully attempt to injure me, or anyone in my family.

Whatever happened to "turn the other cheek" there Mr. christian?

For the record, I'm a Luciferian and we believe in preemptive strikes!

[Beckys_Mom]

Etu Malku, on 24 October 2012 - 12:33 AM, said:

Whatever happened to "turn the other cheek" there Mr. christian?

He is a family man and will do what it takes to protect his loved ones.. I think he his right in doing so ..I would do the same, even if it meant I would have to die trying

[Simbi Laveau]

On my moms side of the family ,many of the men were career military men .One of them ,my uncle Jack,was devoutly religious .He worked in the church after he left the military ,and eventually became a Deacon I believe .
I actually asked him this question ,when I was a child .
He told me ,god could forgive us for even killing ,if it was our job ,or to protect . Like if you are a cop ,or in the military ,and you are sworn to protect life .
He obviously ,as a military man ,had to come to terms with this,on a personal level .I assume he spoke at length to his priest ,before ,during and after he served.
This is what he told me .

[Etu Malku]

Beckys_Mom, on 24 October 2012 - 12:56 AM, said:

He is a family man and will do what it takes to protect his loved ones.. I think he his right in doing so ..I would do the same, even if it meant I would have to die trying

Family man or not, it is not a very Christian thing not to "turn the other cheek", which always makes me laugh about Christians and most other religions, they only use what is good for them and disregard the rest . . . so much for scripture!

[and then]

Etu Malku, on 25 October 2012 - 01:17 AM, said:

Family man or not, it is not a very Christian thing not to "turn the other cheek", which always makes me laugh about Christians and most other religions, they only use what is good for them and disregard the rest . . . so much for scripture!

Sounds like you're throwing out the scripture because mankind follows it imperfectly.  But the truth for most is that they throw it out because they want nothing and no one to tell them anything.  So we have 7 billion souls doing a Frank Sinatra and the condition of the world proves that we actually NEED some direction.