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[HerNibs]

Tape or attached two recorders together.  Then, if you get an "EVP" on both, it would be a bit more convincing.

"EVP" on one and not the other - not evidence.

I have always wondered why no one does this.

Nibs

[underageparanormal]

rashore, on 01 August 2012 - 02:06 PM, said:

It's kind of hard to tell since it's mostly EVP's, but there is a night pic in the second video. Were these EVP's taken at night in the cemetery? Are you guys going into the cemetery at night?

We've been there two times at night. We are in and out by the time it closes.

[underageparanormal]

HerNibs, on 01 August 2012 - 02:09 PM, said:

Tape or attached two recorders together.  Then, if you get an "EVP" on both, it would be a bit more convincing.

"EVP" on one and not the other - not evidence.

I have always wondered why no one does this.

Nibs

Here ya go

[rashore]

underageparanormal, on 01 August 2012 - 02:18 PM, said:

We've been there two times at night. We are in and out by the time it closes.

That's good to know. I'm guessing your night stints were done in the middle of winter when it's dark before 7PM.

[drpaxton]

The music threw me too. As soon as I heard it I cringed. Why try to "sell" it by over-dramatisizing it? Yes, its good entertainment but if you want the evidence to be taken seriously leave out the music and effects. Also I would loveto hear an EVP that didn't have to be explained as to what I'm hearing. I almost never hear what the poster says is being said before tthey tell me what I'm hearing.  I suppose people will say thats the nature on an EVP. They are soft, scratchy, from another realm right?

[Camarel]

Brian Topp, on 31 July 2012 - 11:04 PM, said:

Welcome to UM,

Evps can not really count as evidence  because of these 5 reasons.

Explanation 1: Camcorders and digital voice recorders can easily pick up noises around it from far distances. The devices are not that advance where it would pick up clear, full conversations but it can pick up fragments of conversations or words or portion of words from great distances. For example, I put my digital voice recorder in an old trunk and then put it in my closet, Filled around the box with quilts. Then I put a matress over it and then closed the door. I then closed the bed room. I sang for an hour and when I played back I could pick up fragments of my singing.

Explanation 2: Things happen around us (in a non-paranormal sense) that we aren't aware of because we are distracted. Humans tend to be focus on one thing (I.E. Accidents with people walking into objects or onto traffic has increased because they too busy paying attention to their cells). When people are going to a "spooky" place they are not focusing on certain things. Like for example people talking to themselves or to other people and you didn't hear it at the time but can be with the voice recorder. THe funny thing is people tend to whisper when at "spooky location" and the voice level or even it's tone of voice can be different. Words here could be very easily be you or your friends.

Explanation 3: EVP can easily be tampered with. We (as the viewers) was not there at the time of the recording, we do not know who was there except the people you mentioned (there could be more people), we do not know the voices fully of those people either. Since we weren't there we We do not know if you tampered with the recordings afterwards or used a sound editing program and distorted the sound or added new voices in.

Explanation 4: People make noises while moving, a yawn, a sigh, a grown. I have heard some people claiming their evps
to have a ghost voice but sounded like some one taking a deep breath or was cold.

Explanation 5: You record it on a voice recorder, transfer it to your computer, cut the recording time, then upload it to the youtube and then youtube compresses the video. Each time you change or edit am a recording, you corrupt the original file. When it is some voice recording you can corrupt it further, it can distort noises or add background noises.

Spot on imo

[Camarel]

underageparanormal, on 31 July 2012 - 09:24 PM, said:

No offence but how can you make out is she dead?

[Camarel]

david_36, on 01 August 2012 - 06:35 AM, said:

The thing i dont understand, And im not having a go at the op here, I just dont get why people who claim to have such good evidence make video's with corny music, bubble's, arrows pointing to said evidence and other things that just have nothing to do with the evidence on show at all, When i look at videos like this, as soon as hear the creepy music i think hoax without even seeing or hearing the evidence, If the evidence was so good then none of this other stuff is needed.
After all arnt we presenting evidence not a short film? Just my opinion.

Agreed i hate it when something is circled or pointed to in the pic because i know without it i wouldn't have seen anything.

[Archimedes]

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drpaxton, on 01 August 2012 - 02:55 PM, said:

The music threw me too. As soon as I heard it I cringed. Why try to "sell" it by over-dramatisizing it? Yes, its good entertainment but if you want the evidence to be taken seriously leave out the music and effects. Also I would loveto hear an EVP that didn't have to be explained as to what I'm hearing. I almost never hear what the poster says is being said before tthey tell me what I'm hearing. I suppose people will say thats the nature on an EVP. They are soft, scratchy, from another realm right?

There's a TED talk where audio pareidola is being discussed, and the speaker plays the famous bit from Stairway to Heaven backward for the audience and they can't hear anything but backwards music and singing.  Then he plays it again with the supposed backmasked lyrics displayed on screen and all of a sudden everyone can hear it.

If you need to point arrows at it, describe it in detail, draw the shape in a photo, tell us the words we're hearing, etc. then, to me, that's a good indication that it's not really there.  Especially of note is when someone takes tape recorders or video recorders to cemeteries, haunted houses, etc. and then play back the audio/video.  In that case, they're kinda expecting to find something out of the ordinary, and so it's no surprised when shadows, trees, audio noise, etc. get interpreted as various things.

It's just the past spate of Mars pics we used to get detailing spacecraft, cities, statues, etc.  They were looking at NASA pics, wanting to find these things, so they did because of their biased interpretation of what they were looking at.

[underageparanormal]

Haha, you guys are one tough crowd

[Junior Chubb]

underageparanormal, on 01 August 2012 - 08:24 PM, said:

Haha, you guys are one tough crowd

We've been around the block a few times...  

[orangepeaceful79]

underageparanormal, on 01 August 2012 - 08:24 PM, said:

Haha, you guys are one tough crowd

thanks for not taking it personally.  A lot of people storm off or engage in ridiculous back-in-a-corner counterattack strategies.  There are just some of us here that have really high standards for evidence.  I am someone who would genuinely like to believe in things like this.  To date though, I haven't been convinced because to me other explanations always seem more likely.  Keep doing what you are doing though, keep refining your method based on scientific data-collection principles and IF you find something that truly cannot be explained, you will have done fine work indeed.  I for one, will certainly applaud.

[underageparanormal]

orangepeaceful79, on 02 August 2012 - 02:15 AM, said:

thanks for not taking it personally.  A lot of people storm off or engage in ridiculous back-in-a-corner counterattack strategies.  There are just some of us here that have really high standards for evidence.  I am someone who would genuinely like to believe in things like this.  To date though, I haven't been convinced because to me other explanations always seem more likely.  Keep doing what you are doing though, keep refining your method based on scientific data-collection principles and IF you find something that truly cannot be explained, you will have done fine work indeed.  I for one, will certainly applaud.

Yeah I understand completely. I asked for opinions, and I got opinions. There's no sense in taking it personally. I'm an art major, I deal with criticism all the time. It's just part of what I do   I'll try to take what I read here into account next time I'm out investigating and go into it with more of an open mind.

[david_36]

underageparanormal, on 02 August 2012 - 06:00 AM, said:

Yeah I understand completely. I asked for opinions, and I got opinions. There's no sense in taking it personally. I'm an art major, I deal with criticism all the time. It's just part of what I do   I'll try to take what I read here into account next time I'm out investigating and go into it with more of an open mind.

Yes dont give up with your search, Your asking one of the most interesting questions, Is there life after death.
Ive searched myself but always come up empty handed and that probably explains my negative posts on the subject sometimes, It dosent mean i dont want to believe, I do very much so that's why i keep reading these threads hoping for one day to turned into a believer.

[notoverrated]

so... does anyone know anything about demons >.>.....?