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#61    TheMcGuffin

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 09:11 PM

View Postzoser, on 18 June 2012 - 08:51 PM, said:

A Triumph Bonneville is probably closer to what LZ saw. :no:


Here are some other things that would be even closer to what Zamora described, but are definitely not UFOs either:

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 09:31 PM

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is how we prove beyond all doubt that wat was reported was an alien spaceship.

I still await the compelling Exhibit A.

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 10:53 PM

View Postzoser, on 18 June 2012 - 04:53 PM, said:

Any discussion welcome :yes: It's just that you didn't seem too happy with the thread?



Is that not what I offered? My post went into detail as to why those particular cases are not worth the time to read them, particularly the Buzz Aldrin example. I am hoping to bump you up to the "next level" whereby you at least Google something before you post it. Those examples were woeful and particularly so when you put them next yo your OP, which was an interesting case. Why did you not stick with your OP? It is unusual to see the OP go off topic on their own topic.
Sheesh, the least you could have done is say thanks for saving you all that leg work on those cases in one hit! You do not seem fond of the research aspect, so this should have been a help to you, surely you are pleased to know about aspects like the Buzz Aldrin case, which is and always has been considered a pathetic lie? Or do you enjoy barking up trees?

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 10:58 PM

View Postzoser, on 18 June 2012 - 06:39 PM, said:

Then what is it?  Hard to believe that in 1964 the USAF possessed that technology.  Was Area 51 even built then?

Why is the only answer you know Aliens? Dead set, you sound like this guy

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Mysteries exist Zoser, many of them, just pointing at the sky and attributing the answer to a higher power is old hat, that went out with the Greek Gods, even though many have not caught on yet. Try this link - you tell me, how could tis mystery happen, and who would cause it? I can tell you right now that aliens are not at all plausible - MYSTERY FOR ZOSER LINK
But it's impossible isn't it?

Edited by psyche101, 18 June 2012 - 10:59 PM.

Things are what they are. - Me Reality can't be debunked. That's the beauty of it. - Capeo 'If I have seen further it is by standing on the shoulders of giants.' - Sir Isaac Newton. "Let me repeat the lesson learned from the Sturrock scientific review panel: Pack up your old data and forget it. Ufology needs new data, new cases, new rigorous and scientific methodologies if it hopes ever to get out of its pit." Ed Stewart. Youtube is the last refuge of the ignorant and is more often used for disinformation than genuine research.  There is a REASON for PEER REVIEW... - Chrlzs. Nothing is inexplicable, just unexplained. - Sir Wearer of Hats.


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Posted 18 June 2012 - 11:02 PM

I think we can all expect zoser to simply ignore any counter evidence.  He won't acknowledge it.  He won't look for it.  He won't even look at it.

Why?

View Postzoser, on 14 June 2012 - 07:46 PM, said:

I'm only really interested in the unexplainable I'm afraid.  That's why I'm here.  What's on your mind?

As soon as it becomes explained he doesn't care about it any more.  And moreover, he's willing to keep on believing in spite of it.

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 11:03 PM

View PostbooNyzarC, on 18 June 2012 - 09:11 PM, said:

Good read Hazzard, thanks.  :tu:

I cannot tell if Bragalia wrote that or not, if he did, I have to put a question mark on it.

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 11:07 PM

View PostbooNyzarC, on 18 June 2012 - 11:02 PM, said:

I think we can all expect zoser to simply ignore any counter evidence.  He won't acknowledge it.  He won't look for it.  He won't even look at it.

Why?



As soon as it becomes explained he doesn't care about it any more.  And moreover, he's willing to keep on believing in spite of it.

meh


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Things are what they are. - Me Reality can't be debunked. That's the beauty of it. - Capeo 'If I have seen further it is by standing on the shoulders of giants.' - Sir Isaac Newton. "Let me repeat the lesson learned from the Sturrock scientific review panel: Pack up your old data and forget it. Ufology needs new data, new cases, new rigorous and scientific methodologies if it hopes ever to get out of its pit." Ed Stewart. Youtube is the last refuge of the ignorant and is more often used for disinformation than genuine research.  There is a REASON for PEER REVIEW... - Chrlzs. Nothing is inexplicable, just unexplained. - Sir Wearer of Hats.


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Posted 18 June 2012 - 11:08 PM

Exactly.  :tu:


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Posted 18 June 2012 - 11:12 PM

View Postpsyche101, on 18 June 2012 - 10:58 PM, said:

Why is the only answer you know Aliens? Dead set, you sound like this guy

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Mysteries exist Zoser, many of them, just pointing at the sky and attributing the answer to a higher power is old hat, that went out with the Greek Gods, even though many have not caught on yet. Try this link - you tell me, how could tis mystery happen, and who would cause it? I can tell you right now that aliens are not at all plausible - MYSTERY FOR ZOSER LINK
But it's impossible isn't it?

THis is exactly why we will never get visited by E.T`s maybe wiped out in a blink,but no peaceful visits ! THey already have Youtube  and know this is our Leader !

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 11:18 PM

View Postpsyche101, on 18 June 2012 - 11:03 PM, said:

I cannot tell if Bragalia wrote that or not, if he did, I have to put a question mark on it.
Yes I understand that sentiment, and I still have to go back and read through it again.  But the first skim was a pretty good read.  Have you had a chance to read through it yet?


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Posted 18 June 2012 - 11:19 PM

View Post747400, on 18 June 2012 - 08:19 PM, said:

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Would NASA really fly around a prototype of an immensely expensive program over public land, with all that nice private Government owned land they could use? Could a probe designed to land on the moon fly in Earth's atmosphere anyway?

Didn't astronauts test lunar landers on earth?

And this one was certainly tested on earth

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And with Lonnie Zamoras description:

Zamora struggled to get his car up the steep hill. Successful on the third attempt, he noted no further noise. For the next 10–15 seconds he proceeded west, looking for the shack whose precise location he did not recall. It was then that he noticed a shiny object, "to south about 150 to 200 yards", that at first he took to be an "overturned white car ... up on radiator or on trunk", with two people standing close to it, one of whom seemed to notice him with some surprise and gave a start. The shiny object was "like aluminum — it was whitish against the mesa background, but not chrome", and shaped like a letter "O". Having stopped for a couple of seconds, Zamora approached in his car meaning to help.



Why is it impossible the "overturned car" could not be this?



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I am not saying this is the answer, but it does not seem an outlandish hypothesis, I can see where it would come from. It does have three legs as described, powered by rockets, which fits the description, and could be considered egg shaped from certain perspectives, but not up and down wise, rather a side to side view.

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 11:22 PM

View PostbooNyzarC, on 18 June 2012 - 11:18 PM, said:

Yes I understand that sentiment, and I still have to go back and read through it again.  But the first skim was a pretty good read.  Have you had a chance to read through it yet?

I have had a reasonable look through the hoax hypothesis, but I would feel more comfortable if it was confirmed by others. I just find Mr Bragalia's track record is not one that I have a great deal of confidence in, I keep expecting something to "pop up" I believe someone has already posted a long rebuttal to the hypothesis somewhere online.

View PostDONTEATUS, on 18 June 2012 - 11:12 PM, said:

THis is exactly why we will never get visited by E.T`s maybe wiped out in a blink,but no peaceful visits ! THey already have Youtube  and know this is our Leader !

Just the hair alone would make one wary wouldn't it?

Edited by psyche101, 18 June 2012 - 11:23 PM.

Things are what they are. - Me Reality can't be debunked. That's the beauty of it. - Capeo 'If I have seen further it is by standing on the shoulders of giants.' - Sir Isaac Newton. "Let me repeat the lesson learned from the Sturrock scientific review panel: Pack up your old data and forget it. Ufology needs new data, new cases, new rigorous and scientific methodologies if it hopes ever to get out of its pit." Ed Stewart. Youtube is the last refuge of the ignorant and is more often used for disinformation than genuine research.  There is a REASON for PEER REVIEW... - Chrlzs. Nothing is inexplicable, just unexplained. - Sir Wearer of Hats.


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Posted 18 June 2012 - 11:29 PM

And one of my all-time favorites, from the classified files of Phil Klass, the Robertson Committee and Project Blue Book:

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 11:37 PM

View PostTheMcGuffin, on 18 June 2012 - 11:29 PM, said:

And one of my all-time favorites, from the classified files of Phil Klass, the Robertson Committee and Project Blue Book:

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Might not have been too far off the mark!!! :w00t:


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Posted 18 June 2012 - 11:44 PM

Here's the guy I've been picking on a lot lately: Major Hector "There is Nothing to Hide" Quintanilla.

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