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[Gravitorbox]

Robin_Shadowes, on 12 November 2012 - 09:06 AM, said:

He's a political prisoner and commited those killings for a reason, not out of a whim. Although I haven't read the full maniphesto, I have read plenty of it. He had planned it for nine years and thus have had a lot of time to think through it. What he did was a protest against multiculturalism and the islamization of the western civilisation as such. He found it pointless to joina political party as it only would have been a dead end street. He realized he could have wasted 20-30 years without not really getting anywhere because of the powerful forces behind the destruction of our independent national states and the christian identity. I too reacted much like you the first few months afterwards until I started to read more thoroughly about his thoughts and causes for the whole action. And I didn't perceive it in any way that he was complaining about petty things, mainly about the forced isolation. Although I will not condone murder and terrorism, I consider those traitors who willingly destroys their own nation and thus betrays their own people, are far worse than Breivik will ever be. They are like Breivis states, cultural marxists and a such they have a very malevolent agenda that has been going on for decades. If they win, Hitler, Stalin and Mao's genocides during the 20the century, will seem like a sunday walk in the park with family, compared to the hellish nightmare they have in store for us.

Don't even bother...

I agree with most of his manifesto as well, but no one will understand. No one here wants to hear it, so save it.

Killing those kids didn't help anything, trust me on that.

However to be fair everyone else is accusing this poster of supporting his actions - no he just supports the cause. Not the same thing at all. I don't presume self-professed Marxists on this site support Communist mass murderers.

Edited by Gravitorbox, 12 November 2012 - 11:22 AM.

[Mr Right Wing]

Robin_Shadowes, on 12 November 2012 - 09:06 AM, said:

He's a political prisoner and commited those killings for a reason, not out of a whim. Although I haven't read the full maniphesto, I have read plenty of it. He had planned it for nine years and thus have had a lot of time to think through it. What he did was a protest against multiculturalism and the islamization of the western civilisation as such. He found it pointless to joina political party as it only would have been a dead end street. He realized he could have wasted 20-30 years without not really getting anywhere because of the powerful forces behind the destruction of our independent national states and the christian identity. I too reacted much like you the first few months afterwards until I started to read more thoroughly about his thoughts and causes for the whole action. And I didn't perceive it in any way that he was complaining about petty things, mainly about the forced isolation. Although I will not condone murder and terrorism, I consider those traitors who willingly destroys their own nation and thus betrays their own people, are far worse than Breivik will ever be. They are like Breivis states, cultural marxists and a such they have a very malevolent agenda that has been going on for decades. If they win, Hitler, Stalin and Mao's genocides during the 20the century, will seem like a sunday walk in the park with family, compared to the hellish nightmare they have in store for us.

I personally think Brevik is correct.

I know some Muslims who are quite nice people and have no problems being tolerant towards Christains. However I also realise some are fundies who will try and spread their faith to us by the sword if they ever get the chance. I also suspect, and this is my personal opinion, that behind closed doors there is more support for the Jihadists than the state acknowledges. I think when the fundies have enough power Jihad will come to our streets as they try to force their faith onto Western peoples.

However Brevik is suffering from narcissistic personality disorder from which he has justified the murdering of quite a lot of people. If his purpose is to convince people of the potential threat he has sadly harmed his cause. The reason why nothing is being done about immigration is because the only parties saying they will stop it are riddled with nazis, extremists and nutters who think going around massacring the opposition is acceptable. Brevik needs making an example off as he is just as bad as those would be Jihadists.

We need a normal party who oppose immigration yet respect the human rights of immigrants. We dont need a one eyed, slimey, holocaust denying, embezzling, gay hating (yes he did that last month), HItler loving looney as a future PM. The far-right are their own worst enemy.

Edited by Mr Right Wing, 12 November 2012 - 01:10 PM.

[Colonel Rhuairidh]

Gravitorbox, on 12 November 2012 - 11:18 AM, said:

Don't even bother...

I agree with most of his manifesto as well, but no one will understand. No one here wants to hear it, so save it.

Mr Right Wing, on 12 November 2012 - 01:08 PM, said:

I personally think Brevik is correct.

No thank you, i don't want to listen to a psychopath's manifesto.
If anyone believes his evil rantings, these are people I do not want to share space with, even on an internet web site. This was Breivik's manifesto, someone can hardly say they agree with his manifesto but don't agree with the way he went about it. You might as well say that there were some good points in Mein Kampf, and Hitler had the right idea, but that doesn't mean that you agree witht he way he went about it,.
Do you two agree with Hitler's maifesto? (With perhaps the Jews replaced by the Muslims, or just Foreigners in general.) I don't think Godwin's law applies in this case, since it is a relevant comparison.

Edited by 747400, 12 November 2012 - 01:41 PM.

[Colonel Rhuairidh]

see above  .

Edited by 747400, 12 November 2012 - 01:41 PM.

[Mr Right Wing]

747400, on 12 November 2012 - 01:37 PM, said:

No thank you, i don't want to listen to a psychopath's manifesto.
If anyone believes his evil rantings, these are people I do not want to share space with, even on an internet web site. This was Breivik's manifesto, someone can hardly say they agree with his manifesto but don't agree with the way he went about it. You might as well say that there were some good points in Mein Kampf, and Hitler had the right idea, but that doesn't mean that you agree witht he way he went about it,.
Do you two agree with Hitler's maifesto? (With perhaps the Jews replaced by the Muslims, or just Foreigners in general.) I don't think Godwin's law applies in this case, since it is a relevant comparison.

Facts -
1. A Percentage of our immigrant population is currently in prison for plotting acts of terror.
2. Muslim extremist groups have been banned whose members openly promote the murder of British troops.
3. People always have cowards who agree with them but dont have the courage to do it themselves.

I'm not going to be ignorant of the fact we have a small percentage of immigrants in this country who think terrorism is acceptable. To blind myself to such facts as you are doing is as evil as the people who try to commit the acts of terror.

[FLOMBIE]

So there are no natural british citizens who plot "acts of terror"?

[Colonel Rhuairidh]

FLOMBIE, on 12 November 2012 - 02:01 PM, said:

So there are no natural british citizens who plot "acts of terror"?

No, there was never any trouble in Northern Ireland, it was a haven of peace & prosperity throughout the 70s and 80s.

[The New Richard Nixon]

Mr Right Wing, on 12 November 2012 - 01:58 PM, said:

Facts -
1. A Percentage of our immigrant population is currently in prison for plotting acts of terror.
2. Muslim extremist groups have been banned whose members openly promote the murder of British troops.
3. People always have cowards who agree with them but dont have the courage to do it themselves.

I'm not going to be ignorant of the fact we have a small percentage of immigrants in this country who think terrorism is acceptable. To blind myself to such facts as you are doing is as evil as the people who try to commit the acts of terror.

you are promoting extremism.

[smurf0852]

Mr Right Wing, on 11 November 2012 - 04:44 PM, said:

We live on different planets!

Mine has a unit 731 lol.



The prison officers should turn a blind eye in the shower room lol.

we cant and wont turn a blind eye because that would be really unprofessional .we are not there to pass judgement just to carry out the will of the courts.

[Mr Right Wing]

The New Richard Nixon, on 12 November 2012 - 03:23 PM, said:

you are promoting extremism.

How so?

I'm not saying we should do anything to normal Muslims. I'm talking about removing the fundies. Is it extremist to remove a fundy? Not in my book.

[Mr Right Wing]

smurf0852, on 12 November 2012 - 04:09 PM, said:

we cant and wont turn a blind eye because that would be really unprofessional .we are not there to pass judgement just to carry out the will of the courts.

So if you had Jimmy Saville in one of your cells you wouldnt do anything to him or turn a blind eye?

Maybe thats why I'm not a prison officer.

Edited by Mr Right Wing, 12 November 2012 - 04:25 PM.

[FLOMBIE]

Mr Right Wing, on 12 November 2012 - 04:24 PM, said:

How so?

I'm not saying we should do anything to normal Muslims. I'm talking about removing the fundies. Is it extremist to remove a fundy? Not in my book.

And how to find out who is one and who not?

[Mr Right Wing]

FLOMBIE, on 12 November 2012 - 04:27 PM, said:

And how to find out who is one and who not?

1. Monitor their emails, texts, phone calls and collect intelligence on suspects.
2. Require immigrants to sit a Britishness qualification where they are taught tolerance to other ideologies and faiths. Use it as a way of spotting those who need investigating.
3. Require Mosques to preach tolerance towards westerners and close down those that dont.

The slightest hint someone is a potential terrorist, agrees with terrorism or supports terrorism and they should be kicked out of the country. If they want do in Rome as the Romans do they have no place in our society.

[FLOMBIE]

1. I guess that infringes many British rights. Where does the needed work force come from? What happens to those with suspicous content in their mails, etc.? Deportation to a camp for further investigation? Or should they better be shot around the corner? You suggest kicking them out at the slightest hint; that won't work. But it would be easier for you to get rid of your neighbour.
2. Will they learn the same tolerance you are showing?
3. They preach Islam, not tolerance towards westerners. Who draws the line to what is not "tolerance towards westerners" anymore? Who is checking on that?

It's not as easy as you'd like it to be. You live in a democracy, that means all citizens should be treated equally.

Edit: How many threads have you hijacked so far? I lost count.

Edited by FLOMBIE, 12 November 2012 - 05:11 PM.

[Gravitorbox]

747400, on 12 November 2012 - 01:37 PM, said:

No thank you, i don't want to listen to a psychopath's manifesto.

I don't think you know what a psychopath is. If I had to diagnose I'd say Narcissist, which isn't even psychologically similar.

747400, on 12 November 2012 - 01:37 PM, said:

If anyone believes his evil rantings, these are people I do not want to share space with, even on an internet web site. This was Breivik's manifesto, someone can hardly say they agree with his manifesto but don't agree with the way he went about it. You might as well say that there were some good points in Mein Kampf, and Hitler had the right idea, but that doesn't mean that you agree witht he way he went about it,.

I'm sorry but that's completely retarded. The overall idea - cultural conservatism - isn't really something he made up anyway. The scary thing is he backed up almost everything he said with statistics and data - shocked even me, because most far-right extremists are complete idiots.

747400, on 12 November 2012 - 01:37 PM, said:

someone can hardly say they agree with his manifesto but don't agree with the way he went about it

Please explain this to me. That's like saying you can't believe in Marxism without wanting to ship people to gulags.

I doubt you read it anyway - no, you're not going to, I don't expect you to, and I'm not going to bother asking you to - but I think it is pertinent to know the content of something before you criticize it. Intelligence and murder are not mutually exclusive, unfortunately. Ted Kaczynski/The Unabomber was accepted into Harvard at 16 and graduated at 20, he was a math prodigy and a genius.

The funny thing is, he wasn't even that extreme with regards to beliefs - only in actions. I would not even call him "far-right". He criticized neo-Nazis, racism, anti-semitic conspiracy theorists, and was against killing Muslims. In fact most people on the far right rejected him because of his Zionism, some even going so far as to see him as a Mossad agent sent to discredit the right. He views overall were somewhat atypical and I disagree with some - I disagree that Islam is a huge bogeyman, I disagree with global warming denial, I disagree with the Eurabia theory - off the top of my head. The point is I agree with the overall message of European/Western society being somewhat of an Orwellian mess of political correctness, and I agree that immigration trends are in fact pointing towards a demographic problem for Europeans.

What's funny is I've never seen anyone bothering to contradict the latter claim with any counter-statistics. Why? The reality is, the left doesn't deny that it is happening. They don't care if it's happening.

http://www.ynetnews....4162907,00.html

>mfw Israel is the only country to admit this stuff.

Regardless, agreeing with those points does not mean you necessarily agree with violence to solve it. That is a false equivocation.

747400, on 12 November 2012 - 01:37 PM, said:

Do you two agree with Hitler's maifesto? (With perhaps the Jews replaced by the Muslims, or just Foreigners in general.) I don't think Godwin's law applies in this case, since it is a relevant comparison.

To be honest, if you replace Jews with bankers, there is some truth.

FLOMBIE, on 12 November 2012 - 05:07 PM, said:

It's not as easy as you'd like it to be. You live in a democracy, that means all citizens should be treated equally.

Unfortunately this can signal the end of Democracy if the views of enough citizens are not compatible with it. It ends up destroying itself then.

Edited by Gravitorbox, 12 November 2012 - 09:56 PM.