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[desertgirl30]

 Septic Sceptic, on 08 August 2010 - 10:52 AM, said:

Depends on who gets the money...
If it goes to the families of the victims, itīs ok to me.

S-S

Spot on...I agree 1000 percent...I just hope that's where the money's actually going.

[desertgirl30]

 Twin Peaks, on 28 January 2008 - 07:31 AM, said:

There must be some kind of residual, spiritual, ghostly presence, but who's going to let any ghost hunters around the 911 sight to investgate.

Maybe not now, but possibly in the future. However, this is not Gettysburg...it's a much more sensitive matter and I don't see TAPS or the Ghost Adventures crew being allowed in there anytime soon.

Edited by desertgirl30, 11 February 2012 - 01:05 PM.

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 gaia227, on 29 January 2008 - 03:20 PM, said:

I live in NYC.  If you are ever here and interested in seeing Ground Zero the view from the street is not very good although you may want to view the memorial that is at street level.
You can see the huge glassed-in Atrium that is apart of the other WTC bldgs.  If you go around SE corner and walk down about a block you can enter the other building, go into the atrium, walk up the grand staircase and you are standing over the WTC site with an unobstructed view.  Not much to see now except construction.  Personally I try to avoid the area, it is just too much to bear.  I work in an office building on 5th Ave in an environment very similar to those people in the WTC who were just normal people being at work, having their morning coffee, attending a meeting, surfing the internet and thinking about that freaks me out.  When something like this happens I think unintentionally we seem to rationalize it by pretending or believing that somehow we are different than those people - something like that won't happen to us.  We will never be on the 89th floor of a building, standing on the ledge with your desk behind you on fire, having nowhere to go but out....those people who did have to make that decision thought the same thing I am thinking - something like that would never happen to me.  I hear the 911 calls of women frightened, suddenly prisoners in their office begging the operator not to let them die - that could of been me.  So many people there that day who didn't think it would happen to them, who did not want to die, who refused to believe they would die - those are the people who perished that day and if there is anyplace in this country that is haunted by god it has to be the WTC.  

There are some ghost stories around the WTC site.  I was at a bar on the Lower East Side a few months ago and started talking to a guy who happened to be part of the construction team working down there right now.  We got to talking about it and I couldn't help but ask if anything....weird ever happens.  He obviously did not want to talk about it but he smiled and said, "yeah we hear stuff we shouldn't and don't want to"  I didn't press it because it obviously was making him uncomfortable.

This is from Shadowlands - scroll down to Manhattan
<a href="http://theshadowlands.net/places/newyork.htm" target="_blank">http://theshadowlands.net/places/newyork.htm</a>

<i>Manhattan - World Trade Center - Ground Zero Site - people reported seeing The victims spirits - workers and rescuers - & apparitions of the buildings still standing. Several Ghosts have been reported to be crying for help after 9/11. </i>

Do you ever watch the series "My Ghost Story" on the Bio channel? Anyhow, there was an episode on the other night about a former Boston police officer who was part of the recovery/rescue efforts at Ground Zero on 9/11 and the weeks following...he is believed to be haunted by ghosts of 9/11 as a result of this and has written a book about his experiences. His last name is Pellegrino...I think his first name is Charles. You can catch this episode on Hulu or Vudu Plus. It scared the living crap out of me!! I really feel for that guy, not only for having to go through that horrible task of digging for bodies and personal effects of victims, but then being haunted by ghosts of those who passed away. I can't even imagine! I wish I remembered his name for sure because I really want to find his book and read it.

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 desertgirl30, on 11 February 2012 - 01:15 PM, said:

Do you ever watch the series "My Ghost Story" on the Bio channel? Anyhow, there was an episode on the other night about a former Boston police officer who was part of the recovery/rescue efforts at Ground Zero on 9/11 and the weeks following...he is believed to be haunted by ghosts of 9/11 as a result of this and has written a book about his experiences. His last name is Pellegrino...I think his first name is Charles. You can catch this episode on Hulu or Vudu Plus. It scared the living crap out of me!! I really feel for that guy, not only for having to go through that horrible task of digging for bodies and personal effects of victims, but then being haunted by ghosts of those who passed away. I can't even imagine! I wish I remembered his name for sure because I really want to find his book and read it.

Do you know which episode number this was from??There are a lot and the number would make it easier to search  

[linttrap]

The guy's name is Joe Lani and you can watch the episode on Youtube:

Joe Lani ghosts 911

 pinupgirl, on 11 February 2012 - 05:33 PM, said:

Do you know which episode number this was from??There are a lot and the number would make it easier to search  

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 linttrap, on 11 February 2012 - 06:37 PM, said:

The guy's name is Joe Lani and you can watch the episode on Youtube:

Joe Lani ghosts 911

Thank you!!!!!

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 linttrap, on 11 February 2012 - 06:37 PM, said:

The guy's name is Joe Lani and you can watch the episode on Youtube:

Joe Lani ghosts 911

WOW!!!Just watched it!! i definitely want to read the book!!

[aquatus1]

So, would the ghosts be on the ground level, or would they be floating up in whatever floor they died in?

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Most places that get reports of hauntings are quiet, somewhat secluded places (or at least quiet and secluded inside).

I don't think the area where this happened is quiet or secluded? I feel that many "hauntings" are a result of a lack of stimuli, and imagination taking over. Kind of hard for imagination to take over due to lack of stimuli, in the middle of New York city, no?

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 Jerry Only, on 12 February 2012 - 04:39 AM, said:

Most places that get reports of hauntings are quiet, somewhat secluded places (or at least quiet and secluded inside).

I don't think the area where this happened is quiet or secluded? I feel that many "hauntings" are a result of a lack of stimuli, and imagination taking over. Kind of hard for imagination to take over due to lack of stimuli, in the middle of New York city, no?

A very good point which certainly "cuts both ways".  It may be very difficult for the presence of a ghost to be apparent in an environment which has many stimulations/distractions for the mind, it may not be able to be heard or sensed above the "noise" and myriad types of "energy" within the bustle of a big city.

Edited by libstaK, 12 February 2012 - 08:09 AM.

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Charles R. Pellegrino wrote Ghosts of Vesuvius: A New Look at the Last Days of Pompeii, How Towers Fell, and Other Strange Connections. It's a book about the hour by hour destruction of Pompeii by Vesuvius and the similarities between that and the destruction of the Twin Towers. It's a very painful book to read, especially at the end when Mr. Pellegrino starts to describe some of the effects of the collapsing towers. It may also tell you more than you want to know about what happened to people on that day. I don't mean conspiracy wise - I mean just the horrible ways in which people can die. I still remember Canadian TV reporters talking about the hundreds of shoes that ended up on the ground from the 9/11 victims. The book is like that in a sense, so be warned if you are very sensitive to what happened on 9/11.

There has been reported activity where Flt 93 went down in Pennsylvania. That can be googled. Jay and Grant from Ghost Hunters were asked to investigate there and although Jason said he would love to do an investigation there, the two of them decided that it should not be an investigation that should be televised, so they turned it down. I say good for them.

[acute]

Thank you, Libranaster, this is a very interesting topic.

As you suggest, a new building occupying the same physical space as the twin towers did, will certainly be haunted. Many people who lost their lives there died suddenly, and may not understand their passing.

The event as a whole may lead to a residual haunting, where the scene is replayed when conditions are similar.

[acute]

 acute alan, on 21 February 2012 - 12:31 AM, said:

Thank you, Libranaster, this is a very interesting topic.

As you suggest, a new building occupying the same physical space that the twin towers did, will certainly be haunted. Many people who lost their lives there died suddenly, and may not understand their passing.

The event as a whole may lead to a residual haunting, where the scene is replayed when conditions are similar - as occurs on some battlefield sites.

*fixed*

Edited by acute alan, 21 February 2012 - 10:27 AM.

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 Asphodel, on 28 January 2008 - 08:41 AM, said:

<!--quoteo(post=2122227:date=Jan 28 2008, 02:33 AM:name=Libranaster)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Libranaster @ Jan 28 2008, 02:33 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2122227"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->You mean they didn't even put up a memorial  <img src="http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/mad.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="mad.gif" />.  That is bogus! From what I heard there may still be remains burried there they should make it a memorial atleast to those that will be missing forever because they became nothing but dust or whatever. It should be made inot some kind of memorial garden or something I would think. Wow if I died there I would come back just to kick Bush's behind for not doing so. Wow that makes me mad and kind of sad.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

The did a quick and incompetent cleanup. Bones, charred remains, and jewelry are still found on rooftops and ledges, but it isn't mentioned much. I'm sure there must be other remains on ground zero itself.  I'd come back and kick Bush's butt too, same as if I was a Katrina victim. The cleanup there was awful too and remains have been found up until very recently. They may still be finding remains for all I know. The dead and their families deserve respect, and proper respect wasn't given in either situation. That, to me, is a complete shame and disgrace.

God, thats horrific, i find that really upsetting

[DEATHBOT 2000]

It's a very interesting question and I'm going to watch the above mentioned YouTube video.

I visited Ground Zero about five and a half years ago and was taken aback by how quiet the area was. Obviously people were respectful of the place but as I remember it, it seemed that the sound of the city was muffled somewhat. I'd visited the twin towers in 2000 too, so the knowledge of what had stood there before and knowing that so many people had suffered and lost their lives, made it feel as if there was a weight hanging over ground zero. I don't know if that comes with knowing what happened and just being there brings it home to you (for someone who saw it all unfold on tv) or some sort of mark really is left there.

I've heard and read similar stories about the Auschwitz concentration camp. Today, apparently the birds don't sing there and things don't grow etc. Is it possible that at sites of such suffering, that despair and sadness remains?