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[keninsc]

docyabut2, on 19 December 2012 - 02:25 AM, said:

Listen guys there are no bigfoots, a hominid could not have made it the Americas, or there would be bones to be found.Big foots are all a hoax

That's a legitimate stance and one I can't argue against. Now, having said that, I'm open on the subject but that's due to accounts told to me by two friends, these were guys I knew well and personally and because of what they saw and told me about I'm open to the possibility when the fact is the evidence tells me you're actually correct.

[scowl]

Insanity, on 18 December 2012 - 08:20 PM, said:

Considering those in the cabin had opened fire with their rifles, it be foolish for any kids to keep up with the prank afterwards, which reportedly the attacks did.  

Why? Did they hit anything? Just because they heard some gunfire below didn't mean they were being shot at.

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There were more to the attacks then just rocks against the wall, whomever was responsible had also climbed on the roof, and attempted to push in the door and the walls, each time provoking gunfire from those inside.

Again... did they manage to hit the supposed creatures only feet away? They didn't? And you don't think this is a rather enormous flaw in this wild tale?

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Getting shot at repeatedly in the middle of the night is not most people's idea of fun.

Yet we are to believe that getting shot at repeatedly is Bigfoot's idea of fun. Unlike every other creature on Earth, when ya shoot at Bigfoot it just keeps a comin' atcha!

This tale has all the marks of a trivial incident embellished beyond plausibility.

[anonguy]

too big to not be found already.... You're talking about an animal that is between 8 feet to 10 feet tall....   It's pretty much impossible for something that big to exist and not be found by now.

Edited by anonguy, 19 December 2012 - 05:31 PM.

[Stardrive]

scowl, on 15 December 2012 - 06:39 PM, said:

That's what all animals instinctively do, except for humans.

Modern day humans, yes. Mother nature does provide the necessary tools needed for animals to survive and locate food sources within their respective habitat. Humans are tool users and a bipedal primate, with a large enough brain, could also be a tool user. While I may not have found conclusive proof of a bipedal primate while looking for evidence of such, I did however learn a new hunting technique from someone or something that lives off the land. I really need to talk to a socio-cultural anthropologist or someone who studies and catalogues different hunting techniques.

[keninsc]

Drop me a line. I love to hear about it Stardrive.

[FinnYellow]

scowl, on 19 December 2012 - 04:57 PM, said:

Why? Did they hit anything? Just because they heard some gunfire below didn't mean they were being shot at.

Again... did they manage to hit the supposed creatures only feet away? They didn't? And you don't think this is a rather enormous flaw in this wild tale?

Yet we are to believe that getting shot at repeatedly is Bigfoot's idea of fun. Unlike every other creature on Earth, when ya shoot at Bigfoot it just keeps a comin' atcha!

This tale has all the marks of a trivial incident embellished beyond plausibility.

And yet you cannot stop lions and grizzly bears that are charging you even by shooting them or shooting at them.

[QuiteContrary]

BNDGK, on 08 January 2013 - 03:31 PM, said:

And yet you cannot stop lions and grizzly bears that are charging you even by shooting them or shooting at them.

Yes, it is possible to stop a charging grizzly, even by just shooting around it. You may need to be Quick Draw McGraw though, depending on the situation. And of course you can stop a grizzly by shooting it.
Even bear spray can work. But every situation is different and there are no guarantees. Shooting one may even make the situation worse.

Paul Harvey tells a great story about a huge wild boar in Michigan that took hunters 8 rounds to bring down, though. And they weren't even supposed to live there.

Edited by QuiteContrary, 08 January 2013 - 03:55 PM.

[keninsc]

I have never been charged by a bear black or grizzly, but I was once backed off by a group of dogs......who were actually pets that people allowed to roam free and when they all "pack up" then the pack mentality took over. After that I never go out in the woods without a firearm and that's usually my trusty S&W  4506.

I've never been attacked by anything except a large feral hog once when I was hiking in Northern Alabama/Northwestern Georgia in an area known as the Coosa River Gorge. I fired one round into the ground, in front of the damn thing and it didn't even slow down, I fired once more and I swear the round hit right under it's snout then finally I put a round squarely between it's eyes. That stopped it cold. I know that people worry about mountain lions, bobcats, bears and such but in my experience, which is a bit more than the average but not as much as others, "Dawgs and Hawgs" have been the biggest threat to me. I've never carried pepper spray because a good pistol can be a very effective deterrent in a non-lethal way and if you have to resort to lethality then it's in your hand and ready to go. No fumbling around and all that sort of stuff, just aim.

[g00dfella]

QuiteContrary, on 08 January 2013 - 03:54 PM, said:

Yes, it is possible to stop a charging grizzly, even by just shooting around it. You may need to be Quick Draw McGraw though, depending on the situation. And of course you can stop a grizzly by shooting it.
Even bear spray can work. But every situation is different and there are no guarantees. Shooting one may even make the situation worse.

Paul Harvey tells a great story about a huge wild boar in Michigan that took hunters 8 rounds to bring down, though. And they weren't even supposed to live there.

bull****...your not going to stop a charging grizzly by shooting around it or with any type of spray...it would be literally a second away from the point you sprayed it. You need several rounds and heavy caliber unless you get a very very lucky shot off...

[QuiteContrary]

g00dfella, on 08 January 2013 - 09:55 PM, said:

bull****...your not going to stop a charging grizzly by shooting around it or with any type of spray...it would be literally a second away from the point you sprayed it. You need several rounds and heavy caliber unless you get a very very lucky shot off...

No, it's not bull, but I never said it was run of the mill.


A real video circulated on the I-net some years ago of a guy stopping a charging mama grizzly with cubs by shooting around her. She ran away like a scalded dog.

"It’s a reasonable question, and by no means should hunters dismiss the power and value of their firearms, as we'll discuss later. But as is so often the case when it comes to bears, the answer is more complex than it might first appear.
Studies by biologist Stephen Herrero and others indicate that pepper spray works on charging bears about 90 to 96 percent of the time. Mark Matheny, a hunter who was seriously mauled by a grizzly several years ago while deer hunting north of Yellowstone Park, and who subsequently began a career devoted to bear self-defense and the manufacture of UDAP pepper spray, explains how a mere blast of cayenne aerosol can stop an angry
griz:http://sportsafield.com/content/grizzly-defense

There are several articles on this which are easy to find.

Edited by QuiteContrary, 08 January 2013 - 10:32 PM.

[keninsc]

g00dfella, on 08 January 2013 - 09:55 PM, said:

bull****...your not going to stop a charging grizzly by shooting around it or with any type of spray...it would be literally a second away from the point you sprayed it. You need several rounds and heavy caliber unless you get a very very lucky shot off...

Wow, issues? You have them.

[Sakari]

BNDGK, on 08 January 2013 - 03:31 PM, said:

And yet you cannot stop lions and grizzly bears that are charging you even by shooting them or shooting at them.

Grizzly Bear with a Bow....




Lion with a bow...










Any questions?

[B Jenkins]

keninsc, on 08 January 2013 - 09:37 PM, said:

I have never been charged by a bear black or grizzly, but I was once backed off by a group of dogs......who were actually pets that people allowed to roam free and when they all "pack up" then the pack mentality took over. After that I never go out in the woods without a firearm and that's usually my trusty S&W  4506.

What kind of wildlife do you have in your parts? Depending on the wildlife, .45 ACP may not have enough punch.

A .357 or .44 revolver may be better suited for boar, grizzly, black bear, and mountain lion.... if six rounds aint enough... well...

But most important is learning how to survive in the woods and how to prevent an animal attack from happening which is something I shouldn't need to address.

[FinnYellow]

Sakari, on 09 January 2013 - 03:49 AM, said:

Grizzly Bear with a Bow....




Lion with a bow...




Any questions?

Well, how many of these animals were recklessly charging the people who killed them???

[Winterwind]

I don't believe we're closing in on Bigfoot because I don't believe Bigfoot exists.

Of course any thing is possible. Probability obviously is another matter. When I was younger I wanted to believe in aliens, Bigfoots, the supernatural and all manner of ancient and unexplained mysteries. Again, while anything is possible that youthful desire to believe has faded.

If Bigfoot exists, so too like the Loch Ness Monster, I believe we'd have found hard evidence by now.