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#8146    zoser

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 06:26 PM

View PostTheSearcher, on 05 March 2013 - 06:22 PM, said:

doing the same search as Zoser, only the words "Pre-Inca Tools", two or three lines under the pic he used, I found another picture. From this link. I can't post it because it is copy righted but one can view it. However it comes with the following description : "Pre-Inca civilization, Bolivia, 1st-13th century A.D. Tiwanaku culture. Iron axe and large pins."

So there are IRON tools around and they are PRE-INCA.

So the iron hasn't rusted then.

OK.

Where are the saws?

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I can guarantee this will not come out well for the skeptics (again).

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 06:27 PM

Zoser answered meanwhile.

Edited by TheSearcher, 05 March 2013 - 06:27 PM.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 06:31 PM

Btw, Zoser, are you making a video yet to show us how sound is used for the cutting of stone? Since you're an engineer and always want videos as proof, this shouldn't be to difficult for you. I did ask earlier but you apparently missed it.

Besides, dixit yourself, no video = unsubstantiated claims.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 06:35 PM

View Postzoser, on 05 March 2013 - 06:26 PM, said:

Where are the saws?



where is the aliens tech?   Go to the B-Museum one day - and see the Inca stuff they have there!  :tu:




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Edited by seeder, 05 March 2013 - 06:36 PM.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 06:35 PM

View Postzoser, on 05 March 2013 - 06:26 PM, said:

So the iron hasn't rusted then.

OK.

Where are the saws?

:whistle:

I can guarantee this will not come out well for the skeptics (again).

You are doing that song and dance again..... The burden of proof is on you, not those who are skeptical to all this.

You still havent proven squat...... All you have is (at best) a mystery that you believe can be answered with ET visitation.

That is all you have.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 06:47 PM

View PostDBunker, on 05 March 2013 - 06:35 PM, said:

You are doing that song and dance again..... The burden of proof is on you, not those who are skeptical to all this.

You still havent proven squat...... All you have is (at best) a mystery that you believe can be answered with ET visitation.

That is all you have.

Incorrect.  You are claiming that the work was done nearer to our time with crude tools.

We have the crude tools from the Romans which were around that time.

Where are the saws that cut the thousands of tonnes of Andesite in Peru?

I'll tell you what to look for:

They should be no more that 3mm thick, and at least 2 metres in length.

The Peruvian stone cut says so.

Otherwise, all that leaves is unknown technology.

In the known technology we know exactly what to look for.  We all know what saws look like.

Simple logic really.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 06:50 PM

View Postseeder, on 05 March 2013 - 06:35 PM, said:


where is the aliens tech?   Go to the B-Museum one day - and see the Inca stuff they have there!  :tu:


I see such relics every day.  Nothing to cut granite with.  That's how I can be so sure.

Now if we are talking about tools perishing over time, we must be referring to tens of thousands of years.  Which is actually the time frame claimed by the AA proponents.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 06:51 PM

View Postzoser, on 05 March 2013 - 06:47 PM, said:



Where are the saws that cut the thousands of tonnes of Andesite in Peru?


SHOW ME numerous blocks that were saw cut? All you have is what, 2 maybe 3 pics at most?

Was every rock sawn? If so SHOW ME EVIDENCE!

But you cant. Because you previously said they were cut with lazers, then they were heated till soft, then they were in fact - molded

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 06:54 PM

View PostTheSearcher, on 05 March 2013 - 06:31 PM, said:

Btw, Zoser, are you making a video yet to show us how sound is used for the cutting of stone? Since you're an engineer and always want videos as proof, this shouldn't be to difficult for you. I did ask earlier but you apparently missed it.

Besides, dixit yourself, no video = unsubstantiated claims.

There is absolutely no evidence that the stonework was cut by saws.  They didn't have the material.  

It doesn't take a great deal of wisdom to figure out that this was high tech:

http://www.unexplain...00#entry4686437

Not sawing.

To say otherwise is just appalling lack of insight into material properties.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 06:55 PM

View Postzoser, on 05 March 2013 - 06:50 PM, said:

Now if we are talking about tools perishing over time, we must be referring to tens of thousands of years.  Which is actually the time frame claimed by the AA proponents.

NO. stuff rots and rusts remarkably quick.  Thin iron will be crumbles within a year maybe 2. Not to mention the ancients likely took their 'valuable' tools home with them, or to the next job....or even beat the chisels or whatever into other things....it used to happen often

You dont build a temple/palace whatever for the King/emperor or whoever and leave your tools hanging about do you?

Point is, we have some of the tools,

But we dont have any aliens

Edited by seeder, 05 March 2013 - 06:57 PM.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 06:56 PM

View Postseeder, on 05 March 2013 - 12:37 PM, said:

And in a previous post Ive made, wiki stated the copper used wasnt 'just' copper, but an alloy;

Wiki:

"Notable features at Pumapunku are I-shaped architectural cramps, which are composed of a unique copper-arsenic-nickel bronze alloy. These I-shaped cramps were also used on a section of canal found at the base of the Akapana pyramid at Tiwanaku. These cramps were used to hold the blocks comprising the walls and bottom of stone-lined canals that drain sunken courts. I-cramps of unknown composition were used to hold together the massive slabs that formed Pumapunku's four large platforms. In the south canal of the Pumapunku, the I-shaped cramps were cast in place. In sharp contrast, the cramps used at the Akapana canal were fashioned by the cold hammering of copper-arsenic-nickel bronze ingots.[9][12] The unique copper-arsenic-nickel bronze alloy is also found in metal artifacts within the region between Tiwanaku and San Pedro de Atacama during the late Middle Horizon around 600–900.


Both copper and bronze would be used for basic farming tools or weapons. Some of the common bronze and copper pieces found in the Incan empire included sharp sticks for digging, club-heads, knives with curved blades, axes, chisels, needles and pins. All of these items would be forged by a metallurgist and then spread throughout the empire.


You can use as weapon spoon if you know how to kill your enemy with it.
Arsenic bronze was not unique only in Inca. It was common in Euroasia.
Thing that you point out that arsenic bronze exist does not proove anything except that some people think its extraordinary.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 07:00 PM

Interesting video I found, NOVA of course,

View Postzoser, on 05 March 2013 - 06:54 PM, said:

There is absolutely no evidence that the stonework was cut by saws.  They didn't have the material.  

It doesn't take a great deal of wisdom to figure out that this was high tech:

http://www.unexplain...00#entry4686437

Not sawing.

To say otherwise is just appalling lack of insight into material properties.

Don't dodge the question, I wasn't asking about saws! I was asking that you, self-proclaimed engineer, show us on video, the sound cutting of stone, using the tools that you claim were used.

You always say videos are the only evidence, then ok, start proving, not dodging.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 07:03 PM

View Postthe L, on 05 March 2013 - 06:56 PM, said:

You can use as weapon spoon if you know how to kill your enemy with it.
Arsenic bronze was not unique only in Inca. It was common in Euroasia.
Thing that you point out that arsenic bronze exist does not proove anything except that some people think its extraordinary.

and who thinks it extraordinary? I have looked into the subject in great detail, as will be evident for those who have followed this thread from the early days. As I have pointed out many times, the Puma Punku builders, regardless of metals used, were actually quite behind the rest of the world when it come down to ANY tech or metals.

But if people think they lived on a mountain top with no contact with other cultures.... (and thus a sharing of ideas, and trade 'items'... which NO DOUBT included metals or  tools and similar things) then they must be mad. They were known for their trades

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 07:04 PM

View Postseeder, on 05 March 2013 - 06:51 PM, said:

SHOW ME numerous blocks that were saw cut? All you have is what, 2 maybe 3 pics at most?

Was every rock sawn? If so SHOW ME EVIDENCE!

But you cant. Because you previously said they were cut with lazers, then they were heated till soft, then they were in fact - molded

How do you think they cut stone like this:

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Do you really think they just bashed it until it became perfect?

Really?

Or did they use (non-existent) copper saws perhaps?

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The problem is that we are not talking about places where they could have got saws into.  Like the PP pic above.

Whatever cutting tech was used it was obviously employed to do this kind of detailed work as well.

As I said thousands of tonnes of precision cut stonework.  Yet no saws,

Compared to this which was moulded.:

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 07:06 PM

View Postseeder, on 05 March 2013 - 01:29 PM, said:





"The use of saws as a method of cutting rock is inferred from marks observed on ancient Egyptian stonework, including pieces of waste rock and finished and unfinished stone objects. Many of these marks have been found, usually observed as grooves cut into surfaces of rock or as striations on cut surfaces (Petrie 1974, Lucas and Harris 1962, Arnold 1991, Stocks 1999; 2001).

For examples:

a: Saw marks on greywacke "schist" leaf-shaped bowl (1st Dynasty, Emery 1972 (pl. 39a)).

b: Chevron-shaped sawing marks on Sekhemkhet's travertine (alabaster) sarcophagus (3rd Dynasty, Goneim 1956).

c: Saw marks on the lid of the granite sarcophagus of Meresankh (3rd Dynasty, Lucas and Harris 1962).

d: Saw marks on the granite portcullises of the Great Pyramid (4th Dynasty, Petrie 1974).

e: Saw marks on the granite sarcophagi of Khufu and Khafre (4th Dynasty, Petrie 1883).

Drawing #1 shows a saw cut on end of Khufu's granite sarcophagus (Fig. 2) in the Great Pyramid.
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Who ever wrote that rubbishness he/she can simply use copper (and even bronze) and try to preform for us on video where he/she cut granite with copper tool and do fine work with it.
I will enjoy that preformance.

How sceptics used to say: "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."
And since you claim that copper can do fine work in granite...stage is all yours.

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