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[DONTEATUS]

Gaud ! can this ever end ? We all know that is was a Star Ship Cruiser from  the Planet Magrathea ! and Slotty bartfast was flying that day,due to the new by-pass that was going to be put thru our system. BUt lucky for us
They decided to put a Black hole tunnel thru us so not to piss us off and our  waring ways !

[lost_shaman]

psyche101, on 10 February 2012 - 12:13 AM, said:

May I ask, how do you read this line?


His entire explanation about identifying the panels was cut from the broadcast interview,


Does that not indicate that a discussion took place that was not public?

To me it just tells me that Buzz claims he told them he thought it was an SLA panel but that wasn't what made the final cut in the show. To say the Crew possitively identified a panel is not true and the way that line is worded is unfair to the true facts in this case.

psyche101, on 10 February 2012 - 12:13 AM, said:

And why would he say:

the three of us weren't going to blurt out, 'Hey, Houston,

If it was not from the craft, why would they have to contact Houston from a debriefing?

Im not sure what you are asking here? The debriefing took place after the Crew returned to Earth.

[quillius]

mcrom901, on 07 February 2012 - 05:56 PM, said:

hey mid, but did they report said sighting to mission control prior to the debriefing?according to oberg...[i]"The crew did indeed report to earth about another tiny object they watched through their monocular"

This is indeed the question. To date we have Buzz who claims to have enquired about the distance of the SIVB, and from the trasncript it shows he does not mention seeing an object, at least not on the open channel.

Is it possible he reported it on a closed channel? I dont think so at this point although its always possible.

So the conversation went like this:

060:45:38 Armstrong: Houston, Apollo 11.
060:45:41 Duke: Go ahead, 11. Over.

060:45:46 Armstrong: Do you have any idea where the S-IVB is with respect to us?

060:45:50 Duke: Stand by.

[Long comm break.]

PAO: This is Apollo Control at 60 hours, 47 minutes. We just got a call from the spacecraft requesting that we give them the position of the S-IVB in respect to the spacecraft and we're currently coming up with that bit of information, so we'll stand by.
060:49:02 Duke: Apollo 11, Houston. The S-IVB's about 6,000 nautical miles from you now. Over. [Pause.]

060:49:14 Armstrong: Okay. Thank you

no mention of the object to mission control.

Aldrin states the following (this is during an interview once back on earth)

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Aldrin, of course, was not able to discuss the UFO on an open microphone during the mission. During the documentary interview, however, he states:
"There was something out there, close enough to be observed, and what could it be? Now, obviously the three of us weren't going to blurt out, 'Hey, Houston, we've got something moving alongside of us and we don't know what it is, you know?'"
"NASA knew very little about, um, the object reported by the Apollo 11 crew. It was obviously an unidentified flying object,' said Senior NASA scientist, Dr. David Baker. "But such objects were not uncommon and the history of even earth orbit space flights going back over the previous years indicated that SEVERAL CREWS SAW OBJECTS" (emphasis mine).

"Now, obviously, the three of us were not going to blurt out, 'Hey Houston we got something moving along side of us and we don't know what it is,' observed Aldrin. "We weren't about to do that, cause we know that those transmissions would be heard by all sorts of people and who knows what somebody would have demanded that we turn back because of Aliens or whatever the reason is, so we didn't do that but we did decide we'd just cautiously ask Houston where, how far away was the S-IVB?'The S-IVB served as the third stage on the Saturn V and second stage on the Saturn IB. It had one J-2 engine. For lunar mission it was used twice: first for the orbit insertion after second stage cutoff, and then for the trans lunar injection (TLI). Now NASA reported the separated stage 6,000 miles behind. Obviously they didn't detect any UFO.

Aldrin replied: "And a few moments we decided that after a while of watching it (UFO), it was time to go to sleep and not to talk about it anymore until we came back and (went through) debriefing."

Personally I conclude that nothing was mentioned during the flight and some confusion has happened since back on Earth and people have interpreted Buzz's question of where the SIVB's position was to mean that it included informing NASA of the reason for the question..i.e. they were watching a UFO.

nothing definitive but indications are that nothing was mentioned to Houston even on a closed channel, having said that the comment of 'NASA knew very little of the object reported' could be interpreted to mean the report happened whilst on the way out but this could also just mean once reported in the debrief.

Part of the Jim Oberg article posted by LS:

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The crew did indeed report to earth about another tiny object they watched through their monocular. To some of the astronauts, it looked cylindrical, just like their spent rocket stage which was known to be pacing them in a parallel orbit. Said Armstrong, "It was right at the limit of resolution of the eye; it was very difficult to tell just what shape it was." NASA's reasonable assumption was that it was indeed the rocket stage, since it was behaving just like a rocket stage should; other Apollo flights had reported much the same thing.

did report to Earth??? is Jim Oberg confused here? is he suggesting it was reported TO earth, again quite vague as this can be interpreted to mean they reported it whilst in flight or once back on Earth, the way its phrased indicates it was reported during flight.

[MID]

psyche101, on 09 February 2012 - 07:47 AM, said:

Hi MID

The honor is mine my good man! A sparky from down under does not meet too many Astronauts and people from NASA, for a sky gazing amateur, this is nothing short of thrilling for me. I cannot express how much I appreciate your time, and having had the opportunity to converse with Dr Morrison was icing on the cake. I feel I should be thanking you for taking the time to come in here for us. You are a most deserving individual. Should you ever venture to the east coast of Australia, there is an ice cold beer in the fridge and a warm welcome at the door for you any day of the week.

Cheers

You humble me, Sir!

Seriously.
There's notning more I can say!

[DONTEATUS]

You do deserve only the Highest respect Mid ! Now WHeres my Sweet Tea and shade tree ?

[psyche101]

quillius, on 10 February 2012 - 11:08 AM, said:

Is it possible he reported it on a closed channel? I dont think so at this point although its always possible.

is Jim Oberg confused here? is he suggesting it was reported TO earth, again quite vague as this can be interpreted to mean they reported it whilst in flight or once back on Earth, the way its phrased indicates it was reported during flight.

Can anyone confirm or deny that a closed channel was used during the mission? I feel Jim Oberg read the comments the same way I did, and it seems from his comments that we came to the same conclusions. In the later interviews, Buzz indicates that closed channel was in use, and that the object was discussed there. However, this could well be a misinterpretation on the behalf of all those who were of this impression. But of course such would not be in the transcripts so how this would be confirmed I do not know.

[DONTEATUS]

Ewweh ! a conspicey theory  With Lots of Hot sauce !

[psyche101]

MID, on 11 February 2012 - 01:43 AM, said:

You humble me, Sir!

Seriously.
There's notning more I can say!

DONTEATUS, on 11 February 2012 - 07:20 PM, said:

You do deserve only the Highest respect Mid ! Now WHeres my Sweet Tea and shade tree ?

Indeed you do deserve the highest respect. mate, just to hear about the white knuckle moments in mission control is a treat on it's own, let alone the knowledge you part with us all.

Just please say that you will accept that cold beer if you ever come to the East Coast of Australia! It would be an honor for me. (Beverage type is transferrable)

[quillius]

psyche101, on 13 February 2012 - 11:58 PM, said:

Can anyone confirm or deny that a closed channel was used during the mission? I feel Jim Oberg read the comments the same way I did, and it seems from his comments that we came to the same conclusions. In the later interviews, Buzz indicates that closed channel was in use, and that the object was discussed there. However, this could well be a misinterpretation on the behalf of all those who were of this impression. But of course such would not be in the transcripts so how this would be confirmed I do not know.

Hey Psyche,

not sure how this can be confirmed to be honest but I am sure there must be a way that is easier than trying to confirm the normal varying interpretations of 'things' said in the past (Edgar Mitchell springs to mind)  

[lost_shaman]

quillius, on 14 February 2012 - 08:45 AM, said:

Hey Psyche,

not sure how this can be confirmed to be honest but I am sure there must be a way that is easier than trying to confirm the normal varying interpretations of 'things' said in the past (Edgar Mitchell springs to mind)  

For what it's worth, I do not believe the Crew discussed this sighting with Mission Control until after they returned to Earth.

[quillius]

lost_shaman, on 14 February 2012 - 09:28 AM, said:

For what it's worth, I do not believe the Crew discussed this sighting with Mission Control until after they returned to Earth.

thats the conclusion I drew also, although it would be nice to find something that makes definitive.

In my earlier post this part:

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"Now, obviously, the three of us were not going to blurt out, 'Hey Houston we got something moving along side of us and we don't know what it is,' observed Aldrin. "We weren't about to do that, cause we know that those transmissions would be heard by all sorts of people and who knows what somebody would have demanded that we turn back because of Aliens or whatever the reason is, so we didn't do that but we did decide we'd just cautiously ask Houston where, how far away was the S-IVB?'The S-IVB served as the third stage on the Saturn V and second stage on the Saturn IB. It had one J-2 engine. For lunar mission it was used twice: first for the orbit insertion after second stage cutoff, and then for the trans lunar injection (TLI). Now NASA reported the separated stage 6,000 miles behind. Obviously they didn't detect any UFO.

Aldrin replied: "And a few moments we decided that after a while of watching it (UFO), it was time to go to sleep and not to talk about it anymore until we came back and (went through) debriefing."

from what Buzz says here it indicates the chain of events went from enquiring about S-IVB's position, then onto sleep with no further discussion...indicating no closed channel communication about the UFO.

I am curious as to why he says 'obviously they didnt detect any UFO'??

[lost_shaman]

quillius, on 14 February 2012 - 09:51 AM, said:

I am curious as to why he says 'obviously they didnt detect any UFO'??

I don't think that's Aldrin saying that, but rather commentary from the article or narrator.

[quillius]

lost_shaman, on 14 February 2012 - 09:58 AM, said:

I don't think that's Aldrin saying that, but rather commentary from the article or narrator.

not convinced LS. Although it does resolve it nicely. It is supported to an extent when the next line reads :
Aldrin replied!

[elite1974]

AquaMerina, on 08 November 2011 - 03:43 PM, said:

The bolded part, this is the problem I think.  IF E.T's are real and their crafts are what many of us refer to as UFO's, most assume the beings and their crafts would be physical.

How do we collect physical evidances from things if they are not physical?

IF E.T's and their crafts are not physical, then what are they?

Energy, plasmas, something undiscovered? Who knows?

It's not like the ones who would know, would tell any of us.

maybe they would email me if you can

[psyche101]

quillius, on 14 February 2012 - 08:45 AM, said:

Hey Psyche,

not sure how this can be confirmed to be honest but I am sure there must be a way that is easier than trying to confirm the normal varying interpretations of 'things' said in the past (Edgar Mitchell springs to mind)  

Hey Mate

I was just thinking if this is a closed channel, would there be a transcript? Or a copy of the vocals? If not it's just he said she said I think. I am more interested to know if this channel was in use, it seems highly likely. If you did have some sort of accident, beaming the sounds of astronauts dying horribly into peoples lounge rooms would not be a good start to the manned space program. I know they would just "cut off" most likely, but I think there might be plenty of situations like this where the astronauts and Houston need a little privacy. Buzz is certainly ambiguous in the statements, I woud say that is on purpose, he is pretty on the ball with public speaking. He just makes it sound in the later interviews like he did discuss it during the mission. If James Oberg came to the same conclusion I didm then it must be possible that this is what Buzz was indeed conveying.